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Old 06-17-2018, 08:32 AM
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Been surfing YouTube and came across "Battery advancement technology" ,..which led to electric car conversions.

There is an industry of people who are converting older cars to all electric drive.


Got to wondering (after watching several vids) when is someone going to convert a S2/3 Jag to all electric drive. Intriguing idea ? Not so crazy after you watch some of those vids.


https://dgit.com/10-awesome-ev-class...versions-8592/
 

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Some months ago, a lister depicted his conversion. Very well executed and reported.


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there is nothing like gasoline. Mr. Diesel proved it.
 
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Ancient history... Its not gasoline but battery technology that is the new disrupter.


Have you noticed that a lot of the gasoline filing stations are closing - going out of business ? Used to be one on every corner.



As batteries get shorter charging time, and longer range, coupled with being able to recharge from you home.... Less moving parts, no oil changes no internal combustion fancy stuff that can fail (turbo chargers, cams. timing chains, piston rings all ancient history now.


The writing is on the wall..
 
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Old 06-17-2018, 05:14 PM
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in Florida they open a new gasoline station every month, and now there is a WaWa company trying to take over selling watered-down gasoline, worst stuff I've ever used doesn't last 3 days. I stick with BP and Shell.

The issue with electric cars, at least for me, is their mortgage pricing. I'm simply not going to get into a Home Equity Loan to pay for a glorified electric Golf Cart. Now if everybody drove Golf Carts, it would be a wonderful world.
 
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Have you noticed that a lot of the gasoline filing stations are closing - going out of business ? Used to be one on every corner....
That happened in California about 10 years ago when stations were required to have new leak-detection sensors (costing several $10s of thousands) and vapor recovery equipment by a certain date or close. If they were only marginally profitable they closed.

That did leave fewer stations but not because of less demand. In fact, remaining stations are virtually Clogged All The Time! It's Very unusual to drive into Any station in this area and not have to wait for at least one car to get out of the way so you can fill.

...The writing is on the wall..
That may well be true but it's not because of battery powered cars taking over. They are simply too expensive and waste too many other resources to be viable other than a temporary, fashion-driven fad.
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where I live there are many crazy retired folks driving golf carts like maniacs, with kids in the rear hanging on for their lives, as in: "GRANDMA YOU JUST DROVE THRU THE STOP SIGN!", And grandma replying: "WHAT THE HELL, THESE DAMMED POLITICIANS!, JUST WAIT TILL YOU GROW UP!". There is even a golf car showroom and service shop for these folks. You can also rent them by the week. In Florida, engine horsepower is still king. Dodge Chargers, Mustangs 5.0,, Bigfoots, Harley Davidsons. Lots of crazies here.
 
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A mind is like a parachute - only works when open.. did you know that GM is going totally electric within the next few years,...improvements in battery technology...and cost comes down as volume goes up. I was a skeptic as well... but times change. As in the aircraft industry when turbines replaced old piston engine technology....

When fuel reaches 10 + dollars a gallon ...a lot of people will realize its a new world when it comes to transportation.


Has anyone seen Jaguar's 1968 XKE model that has been re fitted with all electric drive? XKE type 0


https://media.jaguar.com/news/2017/0...tric-car-world
 

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I think you have been drinking the pr cool aid. I spent a lot of time hanging out with a homebrew electric vehicles conversion group a few years ago and learnt a lot about realities. I want to build an electric conversion one day - EVwest.com in the US is a good supplier of kit for that.

A lot of the home brew guys converted pickup trucks to electric, with the batteries in the pickup bed and lots of emergency cut off switches in the event the batteries get damaged at which point they are very volatile. The fire wall of an electric vehicle is between you and batteries and therefore horizontal... in most cases, a pickup bed is next best alternative.

An xj6 is much too heavy and complex to be a conversion candidate IMO. There is also no credible recharging infrastructure for mass use of electric vehicles, electric grids couldn't cope with demand and the fuels used to create the power have their own issues around pollution. Range is a huge problem and battery tech isn't advancing significantly. Hybrid vehicles are the answer for the foreseeable future and I think we will see a reality check around electric around the same time Tesla runs out of money, which will quite possibly be this year...

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A mind is like a parachute - only works when open.. did you know that GM is going totally electric within the next few years,...improvements in battery technology...and cost comes down as volume goes up. I was a skeptic as well... but times change. As in the aircraft industry when turbines replaced old piston engine technology....

When fuel reaches 10 + dollars a gallon ...a lot of people will realize its a new world when it comes to transportation.


Has anyone seen Jaguar's 1968 XKE model that has been re fitted with all electric drive? XKE type 0


https://media.jaguar.com/news/2017/0...tric-car-world
 
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1. Yup, Elinor. I recall those days. Many a small operator shut down. Just too expensive to close the place and pull the old tanks and replace with new ones and the complex monitoring system. In my former profession, I investigated many a "contamination" claim.
And, yes, Getting in a bay to tank up is an exercise. Easy with the Jaguar, either is OK. Jeep needs a left fill bay!!


2. Two of the markets I frequent are near a retirement community. Almost always see a golf cart there. some basic, some quite elaborate !


3. The Teslas seem not only to run in to things, but catch fire!!!


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I remember grumpy old guys complaining when fuel injection replaced carbs and CDs replaced records. Electric cars are the future--the internal combustion engine is dinosaur technology and we simply can't keep belching gas exhaust into a world with a population of 7.6 billion. Range anxiety was an issue, but we now have a 238 mile range on the Chevy Bolt. And the price issue? There is no price issue! The Bolt is 30 grand after rebates. And you don't have to pay for gas!

The best DIY electric conversions are light, simple cars: Beetle, Karmann Ghia, VW Thing, Austin Mini, Ford Escort. I'll throw in Volvo Amazon since I own one. XJ6? Too heavy!! You'd need a ton of batteries to get a half-decent range and even then you'd be a hippo on wheels. This isn't to say it can't be done, and there's a very nice series 1 conversion on the forum. But there are better cars to convert.
 
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I remember grumpy old guys complaining when fuel injection replaced carbs and CDs replaced records.
I'd argue we are in a period of options rather than mass change - betamax or vhs tape, CD roms or cassette tapes instead of vinyl etc. Electric vehicles are still mostly short range luxury cars heavily supported by green pricing subsidies to keep the price down, and there is no infrastructure to support mass manufacturing and use.
Hybrid is the way forward, not 100% electric for the foreseeable future. And don't get me started on 'self driving'/remotely controlled vehicles. That will be a major blow to self determination and freedom of movement...
 
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now you're talkin'.
Hybrid. and the ability to self-charge while in gasoline mode.
That is the way to move towards electric, cut the need to use gasoline by 50%.
It takes 10 minutes to refuel. 10 hours to recharge. No way Jose.
 
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Guess your parachutes are not opening and you are in a state of denial.


"Too heavy" ? Do you remember 2.4 liter 6 cylinder engines in Xj6 cars?


Can you spell transmission ?


Electric motors generate torque not horsepower - torque moves mass not horsepower.


It is not electric cars that are in the news (they are!!) but rather the lucrative business of developing better batteries other than lithium based ones. Technology has gotten to the point that many more options for storing electricity have been identified. When large auto companies are making the large decisions about alternate power sources - you can bet their bean counters have seen opportunity in electricity. Tomorrow is a new day.(note Tesla is not a car company - it is a battery technology company)

So do you seriously think the bean counters will consult with the crackpots on some auto enthusiast bulletin board to see if going electric is a good idea?? .... about that cool aid



Check that parachute ...
 
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Way back when I was a kid, and that is a way back, for sure, I used to enjoy a series of books. Tom Swift was the inventive and adventurous hero.


A favorite paper back. The electric house car. An illustration on the cover, racing a steam powered train and winning!! It was a hybrid. Gas engine and electric motors at the four wheels !


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It is not electric cars that are in the news (they are!!) but rather the lucrative business of developing better batteries other than lithium based ones. Technology has gotten to the point that many more options for storing electricity have been identified. When large auto companies are making the large decisions about alternate power sources - you can bet their bean counters have seen opportunity in electricity. Tomorrow is a new day.(note Tesla is not a car company - it is a battery technology company)
It's Panasonic that is doing all the heavy lifting around batteries in the Tesla partnership.
https://insideevs.com/story-tesla-pa...hip-panasonic/
I live in a very liberal part of the US where lots of friends have or have had electric cars. (I'm in Coventry UK right now, home of Jag!) A friend just gave up their Bolt due to the constant range anxiety - nursing batteries, not making it home, nowhere to recharge on the freeway etc.
Battery tech has a long way to go before it is fit for purpose, and I certainly don't want to be relying on the power grid to power my vehicle to escape after an earthquake, fire or big storm.
As I said in the previous post I intend to build an electric car (probably a fiberglass 32 Ford deuce coupe) and it will accelerate like crazy and handle like a go kart. It won't be a practical long range touring car, which an XJ6 was designed to be....
 
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This has nothing to do with minds being open or closed. I'm just giving you my opinion---I'd sooner convert a 1900 lb car to electric than a 3900 lb XJ6. If you don't believe me, phone up the guys at EVWest and they'll tell you the same thing.

https://www.carfax.com/blog/used-car...ar-conversions
 

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Que sera sera.

I've been around this type debate long enough to not get overly excited. My experience was in the coal fired power plant industry. Solar and wind used to be scoffed at; that it couldn't supply enough power to feed the grid. Guess what? 15 years later and coal is a skeleton of what it was (thank goodness). Not nearly as much due to renewable sources as natural gas, but a lesson none the less that something can always come along and bump "King Coal" or in this case Fossil Fuel powered vehicles.

On a lighter note, I always wanted to take one of those "Friends of Coal" stickers that was handed out at a show and slap it on the back of an EV!
 
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im converting my series 1 xj6 to full electric. there are two other existing examples of older xj6's that i know of. My completed setup will be 450hp, range of 300+km and look entirely stock. it will weigh a little more than stock, but still 400kg lighter than a Tesla model s. It will charge from a regular power point and the fast charge ones. For now i'll have a petrol car for longer trips but thats only once every year or so. in time technology will probably phase out the need for petrol entirely but not for many many years/ decades.
 
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im converting my series 1 xj6 to full electric. there are two other existing examples of older xj6's that i know of. My completed setup will be 450hp, range of 300+km and look entirely stock
Sounds very intriguing. When will it be done and will you be posting some video?
 
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