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Old Feb 26, 2018 | 03:54 PM
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I picked this up today for the wheels and outboard brake system for my
Series 3. I drove the car home about 80 miles and everything work good even cold AC.
I will be posting on the XJ40 forum to see if any one needs parts.
The engine and tranny are solid. The seats are in excellent condition. The only damage is the center console cover and the clearcoat on the body.
No rust,no dents or dings. HA HA I washed it.
Cost of car????? Less than the cost of a set of wheels plus shipping and I get 5 wheels. I am going to get the wheels chromed.
 
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Old Feb 26, 2018 | 05:44 PM
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man don't scrap the car!!
 
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Old Feb 26, 2018 | 05:48 PM
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Curious about what you plan on doing about the handbrake system, and the lower control arm to upright pin size differences.
When I got all my own rear outboard brake swap parts, I got the half shafts, uprights, rotor and caliper (less the spacer cbc4806/45 and less the XJ8 lower fulcrum pin.) I got extremely lucky " free -clearing garage - left over from unfinished project. " guy just gave it all to me.

All you really need are ; spacers (cbc4806/45) / half shafts with u joint knuckles / uprights / rotors / calipers / handbrake cables / dust covers / and modified fulcrum pin. Hand brake system and hydraulic lines

So the parts I have are from a 2001 XJ8 (also used on DB7 Aston Martin I am told..)- and have ventilated rotors.

You might want to keep the spacers at the half shaft to diff area. They take the place of the inner rotor (shim area) once it has been removed from the xj6 rear drive line. These new parts guys want 50 to 60 bucks each for them.

Jaguar XJS 1996 models have vented rotors and an interesting version of "how to adapt the suspension cage for outboard brake cable use"

However to go this route (late XJS) you will need the whole cage / rear drive / suspension set up as the diff has extra provision for attaching support brackets, you need 'em for the handbrake cables. So they are bolted to a special diff casting.

I am working on a custom bracket to anchor the handbrake system on the XJ6 cage in place of the original rotors calipers and emergency brake apparatus..

Brake line configuration another issue.

Mine is not up and running yet - lack of time... but all parts ready to go and the process thought out ...coming out of hibernation...soon
 
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Old Feb 26, 2018 | 06:00 PM
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I have not decided what I am going to do yet. Just picked up the car today in Jose's neighborhood. The car really drives sweet, but I want the rims for my Series 3 lump. I have not used a handbrake in many,many years.
BTW ALYN: My TBI conversion is complete and I am very happy with the results.
Now thinking of going even further with TPI.
Jose: Like I said I am torn about what to do with the car.
 
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Old Feb 26, 2018 | 06:09 PM
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I know where you can get 4 XJ-S wheels if you prefer those.
 
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Old Feb 26, 2018 | 08:30 PM
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@Jose: Where and how much? Text or call me @ 917-541-6508
 
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Old Feb 26, 2018 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sanchez
I drove the car home about 80 miles and everything work good even cold AC.
I will be posting on the XJ40 forum to see if any one needs parts.
The engine and tranny are solid. The seats are in excellent condition. The only damage is the center console cover and the clearcoat on the body.
No rust,no dents or dings.


Geeeee......I'd be half-tempted (maybe more!) to keep it intact and find a different donor car !


Cheers
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Old Feb 27, 2018 | 05:40 AM
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@Doug: Having slept on it, I am tempted to keep it intact but time will tell.
Right now I have the chrome Series 2 wheels on the black (lumped)Series 3 and the original Kent wheels on the grey (stock)Series 3. If Jose can link me with the set of XJ-S wheels, then my thinking may change and I will just replace the wheels and leave the inboard brake as it is.
 
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Old Feb 27, 2018 | 08:46 AM
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yes I would save the car.

You can collect the parts you need for a rear outboard brake swap on Ebay. Cheap. Not much is required - I listed them in earlier post. Plus you could have the later ventilated rotors /calipers as well. The key to this swap is the fact that the inboard and outboard half shafts are all the same size (U-joint sizes can vary) so get the half shafts / uprights / rotor and calipers as a set,...then a spacer to make up for the (original - now removed rotor) As mentioned my outboard brake system came from a 2001 Xj8. Perfect fit



The Jag has a 2.88 diff ratio. and the lower engine power band (torque) of the TBI would be better suited.
(Engine rpm on highway would be around 1600 at 60-65 mph in 4th O/D with convertor locked,..So more low rpm torque is what I wanted.)

I changed direction and went TBI because it is designed for low rpm smooth operation. JTR recommends this approach in their manual on Jag v8 swaps.
Reliable and easy to understand conversion. I feel what is missing with most engine swaps is - documentation about what was done and how it was wired into the Jag "rolling stock". just a thought...

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If you decide to go TPI, there is a really good book called "Chevrolet TPI and TBI engine swapping "
 

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Old Feb 27, 2018 | 09:56 AM
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That sure is a nice car to part out for the hubs.


My 83 enjoys a pristine set of XJS "lattice" wheels. They just look right at home. As they are a bit wider than the original Kents, that is a bonus.


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Old Feb 27, 2018 | 01:23 PM
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I will wait until I hear from Jose. In the mean time I will just ponder.
 
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Old Feb 27, 2018 | 04:00 PM
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I texted the info this morning. Call him up, he's moving.
 
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Old Feb 27, 2018 | 04:47 PM
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Jose, Dave sold the rims 2 days ago. However, he said that his friend has a set and he will see him tomorrow. He does not know whether they are in as good a condition as the ones he had. I will wait and see.
 
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Old Feb 27, 2018 | 04:59 PM
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dang I should have bought them but I had no need for them.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 06:08 AM
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Just an update: I have posted this in the XJ40 forum.
Heeding the advice given in the posts above re:my recently acquired XJ40, I decided not to dismantle the car and restore it to the best of my ability. I will look elsewhere for the wheels and outboard brake assemblies elsewhere.
Most of the few mechanical/maintenance issues completed.
Major work included replacing:
Rear Hub bearings.
Front Hub bearings
Oil leak (O-ring replacement)
Steering Rack replaced.
Car repainted. Now on to cut and buff to a beautiful shine.
Thank you all for encouraging me to save this car.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 08:11 AM
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Sanchez:


I am sure you will not regret saving this nice car.


Au contraire, you might have regretted scraping it!


Enjoy it.


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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 08:54 AM
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Plus you will not have to use "wheel spacers" for the XJ40 wheels in the front of your S1-S3.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 09:18 AM
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Very nice to hear this. If your not in a rush I may have a set of Outboard brakes soon.

As for the XJ40, nice car a bit under rated for it's time. And I personally love this era in automotive history.

There was a BIG demographic shift in the late 80's and early 90's and Jaguar gave way to BMW. I had BMW's of that era and they were better in someways but and worse in others. Slow Jag sales from the all too familiar styling and a myriad of new model teething problems with the new XJ40 opened the door for the more sporty BMW big time. They never looked back. Jag is only now, 30 years later, gaining some traction again. BMW even released its first V12 in 1988 while Jaguar had one for almost 2 decades.

If you look at the BMW flag ship 7 series of the time it bore remarkable similarities to the XJ40. Inline 6, Hydro-boost brakes, ZF 4 speed, and Boshe ABS. However there were a few features on the BMW that made them resonate more with the times... such as driver-centric dashboard layout, perfect ergonomics, speed sensitive steering and wipers, rev happy engine and the new kid on the block attitude that Jag is Ironically making the most of now.

The Jaguar was much more refined, classy and had nicer interior materials. It was also associated with the Royal family which became a liability in the late 80's early 90's.

These days those late 80's BMW 7 series are very difficult to find. There are quite a few XJ40's that survived and some are quite nice.
 
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Originally Posted by sanchez
Just an update: I have posted this in the XJ40 forum.
Heeding the advice given in the posts above re:my recently acquired XJ40, I decided not to dismantle the car and restore it to the best of my ability....

Thank you all for encouraging me to save this car.
I'm so glad to read this!
It looks like a Fine car! I see far worse examples in repair shops down the way.
I wish you the greatest of success with your Newest Project Car!
(';')
 
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