Pre facelift speedo signal
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I don't know for sure, but the last photo of this series on how the trip computer works suggests a square wave.
Jaguar XJ6 SIII trip computer details
Jaguar XJ6 SIII trip computer details
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Greg in France (05-04-2024)
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Thanks, that is also the conclusion I have reached after hours of googling. This is what I found:
I have wasted several hours on google and I think I have a definitive asnwer: The speedo transducer on the gearbox produces a square wave.
I found this thread:
https://forums.jag-lovers.com/t/trip...-repair/409591
And this is the first post on it:
I have wasted several hours on google and I think I have a definitive asnwer: The speedo transducer on the gearbox produces a square wave.
I found this thread:
https://forums.jag-lovers.com/t/trip...-repair/409591
And this is the first post on it:
"My XJ-S is a ‘88 5.3L with the differential mounted speed sensor. [mine has the gearbox transducer] My traveler [he means trip computer] did not work when I purchased the car 3 years ago with the exception of the clock; neither fuel used or miles driven were recognized. The speedo and cruise worked fine (well after fixing the bellows).
After verification of power and ground at the fuel interface (located near ECU), I opened the unit; only component likely to fail was an IC. I replaced the IC and the traveler recorded fuel used quite accurately. Still no distance recognized…
I verified power and ground at the speed interface module (left side of trunk/boot) and continuity of the red turns to yellow wire to the traveler [a yellow wire is the OEM diagram colour sending the signal to the trip and the speedo] . I then fed a 5v 133hz square wave to the yellow wire and the traveler recognized distance- the 133hz represents 8000 pulse per mile and the traveler showed 1 mile in a minute.
I then ran the car on jack stands at 30 mph and monitored both frequency and waveform from the speed sensor [i.e. the diff sensor that feeds the signal into the interface unit in the boot] - there was an approximate sine wave of 67hz at 2.5v peak to peak [i.e. the diff sensor produces a sine wave]. This corresponds to 8000 pulses per mile. When I fed a 1v RMS 133hz sine wave into the speed interface the speedo registered 60 mph [i.e. the speedo recognised the square wave output from the interface unit] .
So in summary the [differential] speed sensor produces a low voltage sine wave at 8000 pulses per mile; the speed interface amplifies the signal and shapes the waveform to a square wave at the same pulse rate. The traveler output is at 5v and the speedo is at about 2.5v "
So as I am 100% sure that Jaguar did not change either the speedo or the trip computer in 1988 when they went to the diff sensor from the gearbox transducer, it is clear they had to put a speedo interface unit in the boot to convert the sine signal to a square wave that the trip and speedo could use. On my car there is no interface between the gearbox transducer and trip/speedo, just a continuous yellow wire.After verification of power and ground at the fuel interface (located near ECU), I opened the unit; only component likely to fail was an IC. I replaced the IC and the traveler recorded fuel used quite accurately. Still no distance recognized…
I verified power and ground at the speed interface module (left side of trunk/boot) and continuity of the red turns to yellow wire to the traveler [a yellow wire is the OEM diagram colour sending the signal to the trip and the speedo] . I then fed a 5v 133hz square wave to the yellow wire and the traveler recognized distance- the 133hz represents 8000 pulse per mile and the traveler showed 1 mile in a minute.
I then ran the car on jack stands at 30 mph and monitored both frequency and waveform from the speed sensor [i.e. the diff sensor that feeds the signal into the interface unit in the boot] - there was an approximate sine wave of 67hz at 2.5v peak to peak [i.e. the diff sensor produces a sine wave]. This corresponds to 8000 pulses per mile. When I fed a 1v RMS 133hz sine wave into the speed interface the speedo registered 60 mph [i.e. the speedo recognised the square wave output from the interface unit] .
So in summary the [differential] speed sensor produces a low voltage sine wave at 8000 pulses per mile; the speed interface amplifies the signal and shapes the waveform to a square wave at the same pulse rate. The traveler output is at 5v and the speedo is at about 2.5v "
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You may right. On my car, with the gearbox transducer, the same speed signal goes to both from a common yellow wire; but the fuel use signal is a separate one from a separate module located near the ECU.
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Note that there is a separate fuel interface; on the XJ-S it is by the fuel injection computer and is different for V12 or 6 cylinder.
The speed interface, if equipped, mounts along the luggage lid drain trough on the left side. There are a couple of part numbers for the speed interface; DAC4864 is on my ‘88- there is also DAC11536(?). The difference may by a pulse correction for different tire sizes.
I was unable to repair my DAC4864 to work reliably and ended up making a square wave converter driven off the speedo signal. Travel computer now works fine, but mileage is off consistently by 4% (hence why I believe the correction circuit is in the interface).
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RGK20
I am most grateful for your original post, it continues to amaze me how there are still 'grey areas' of definite knowledge about our cars, in spite of all.
I am installing Dakota Digital cruise control in my car and the wave form is a needed parameter for this unit. You saved me all sorts of bother!
I am most grateful for your original post, it continues to amaze me how there are still 'grey areas' of definite knowledge about our cars, in spite of all.
I am installing Dakota Digital cruise control in my car and the wave form is a needed parameter for this unit. You saved me all sorts of bother!
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