XJS ( X27 ) 1975 - 1996 3.6 4.0 5.3 6.0

Those two big front crossmember pivot bolts... '88 XJS

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Old Dec 23, 2024 | 06:42 PM
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Part #5 is the part you describe as the conical part. It is not included with the bushing.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2024 | 09:24 PM
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That looks like it.

Is there only supposed to one per bushing or two per bushing? The drawing suggests only one.

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Old Dec 23, 2024 | 09:32 PM
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Two per, eight total.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2024 | 04:49 PM
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Thanks!

Now, to the lower fulcrum shaft: are there two, or four, large stainless washer per side of car?

I got two large stainless washers off the LH side of the car, (plus the two thick steel washer, one for front bush, one for rear bush).

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Old Dec 24, 2024 | 10:26 PM
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This is what i have two of per left/right side off the lower fulcrum shaft:

https://www.jagbits.com/product/C30954.html

Do I need four per side?

The manual says to place wishbone in position, and then slip special washers (I assume they refer to C30954) in between mounting frame and wishbone, front/back, then insert long fulcrum bolt.

Is there another washer that goes between the very thin fulcrum bolt head and the bush?

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Old Dec 25, 2024 | 12:51 AM
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The special washers (ie the thick ones with a knurled part on one side) should be fitted one on each side of each bush, with the knurl INWARDS to the bush. The knurl, when the pin is tightended, holds the centre tube fixed - it is the rubber than allows wishbone movement.
ONE special washer each side has a smaller hole and will not go down the pin shaft past the shoulder below the threaded end (part number 5 in the attached link diagram). This one goes on last under the castellated nut.

Part number 4 in the diagram is the other special washer that goes each side of each bush APART FROM THE LAST ONE ON THE FRONT BUSH THAT IS PART NUMBER 5.

So for each side you need 3 of the number 4 and one of the number 5, but see below too.

https://parts.jaguarlandroverclassic.../brand/jaguar/

It can be that the pin does not seem long enough for all four special washers to be used. In this case, omit the first one (against the thin bolt end) and it will be fine with three, as in this photo

 

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Old Dec 27, 2024 | 06:23 PM
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Thank you very much, Greg, and others that chimed in.

The left side is back together with all new bushes and nuts, bolts, joints, etc., the RH side is being disassembled tomorrow.

Getting a car, that somebody modified, made it more of a challenge to return to 'normal", as I didn't know what normal, was.

i have done several US car front ends over the years,and an Italian car, but the XJS is a first for me.

The rotten bushes were embossed WEL URETHANE, and have been there probably 25 years, or more, based on other things i know about the car.

Doug
 
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Old Dec 29, 2024 | 05:17 PM
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When I disassembled my front suspension (which I think was the first time it had ever come apart) I only had 2 of the serrated special large washers on each wishbone - my order was as follows:
Castle nut/small hole washer/bush/large washer/subframe/large washer/bush/bolt head

Is/was there definitely supposed to be serrated washers on either side of each bush? I'm wondering if I should disassemble it all again and add some in, if they fit...
 
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Old Dec 29, 2024 | 05:40 PM
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Hi- SNG Barratt version of Jaguar catalog says there should be six serrated washers, three per side. There are two with big holes that go between the inside of wishbone and the subframe, and one of the smaller ones between the nut and the outside of the subframe. There is no washer behind the bolt head. In Greg’s picture there is no fourth washer behind the bolt head, even though he says you need 6 of the larger washers, so I’m confused by his message a little. I cannot recall if the back of the bolt head is serrated… but there’s no washer back there. If you put in a washer extra I can’t imagine it hurts! If you have no serrated washers, then you shoudl redo the suspension. They are necessary so the rubber will twist, instead of the bottom wishbone simply spinning on the fulcrum shaft. -John
 
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Asdrewq
When I disassembled my front suspension (which I think was the first time it had ever come apart) I only had 2 of the serrated special large washers on each wishbone - my order was as follows:
Castle nut/small hole washer/bush/large washer/subframe/large washer/bush/bolt head

Is/was there definitely supposed to be serrated washers on either side of each bush? I'm wondering if I should disassemble it all again and add some in, if they fit...
No, it will be fine like that, rest easy! This is exactly how mine is assembled because the pin was not long enough to take the special washer against the endpin hex. That hex is up against the bush tube remember, and it has a knurled washer on the other side, so even without the knurling on one side the bush cannot move.
 

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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Jagsandmgs
Hi- SNG Barratt version of Jaguar catalog says there should be six serrated washers, three per side. There are two with big holes that go between the inside of wishbone and the subframe, and one of the smaller ones between the nut and the outside of the subframe. There is no washer behind the bolt head. In Greg’s picture there is no fourth washer behind the bolt head, even though he says you need 6 of the larger washers, so I’m confused by his message a little. I cannot recall if the back of the bolt head is serrated… but there’s no washer back there. If you put in a washer extra I can’t imagine it hurts! If you have no serrated washers, then you shoudl redo the suspension. They are necessary so the rubber will twist, instead of the bottom wishbone simply spinning on the fulcrum shaft. -John
Well let me try to clarify, and apologies for causing confusion and my recently acquired inability to count. As a minimum you need in total to do both sides:
  • 4 of the larger hole special washers (part number as mentioned in my post number 26 above). That is TWO each side; AND
  • 2 of the smaller hole special washers, one each side, part number also in Post 26 above,
  • Fitted as described in Asdrew's post number 28 above: that is to quote "I only had 2 of the serrated special large washers on each wishbone - my order was as follows:
    Castle nut/small hole washer/bush/large washer/subframe/large washer/bush/bolt head
    "
If the pin is long enough, you can also fit a large hole special washer against the fixed hex at the end of the pin, thus making a total of 3 large hole special washers each side and one small hole one. In my car's case, from the factory, the car had 3 large and one small each side (ie a car total of 6 large and 2 small hole special washers).

When I rebuilt the suspension with new pins and bushes, the pin was not long enough to accept the three large hole washers and leave room to fit the small hole one; so I removed the large hole washer against the fixed hex. This setup has worked perfectly since. So as John mentioned in his post number 29, it cannot hurt if there is a special washer against the fixed hex, if there is room to fit it, and it cannot hurt if there is not.
 

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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 04:49 AM
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Greg is spot on.

All my Series cars, and the 2 XJS, were as he laid out.

6 Large
2 Small.

BUT

Pin supply over the many years got interesting.

Some were shorter, not much, but enough to screw things up in my head.
Some had the Hex "attached" bit, NOT SO good attached. I learnt to weld real quick.

As long as there is ONE knurled washer "grabbing" the centre bush sleeve, the car is happy.

After 1985, I know not, as that was the end of my "playing" with these beasts.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 05:39 PM
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Right side is done, it went a lot quicker than the left side. Imagine that.

It looks really spif, all the suspension components and cross member were prepped and painted with a gloss back epoxy; and new stainless steel bolts, nut, and washers were used to reassemble.

Calipers and splash shields are being painted a satin silver grey.

I still need to source some sway bar link assemblies, I am not paying US $~60 per side for OEM stuff. I think i found some Ford truck units that are proper size.

New Bilstein shocks are on the way, the OEM shocks looked pretty grubby, not sure what their internal condition was.

Doug
 
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Old Dec 31, 2024 | 01:22 AM
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Doug
Remember that the castellated nut on the pins must NOT be tightended until the car is on its wheels and run around the block to settle the suspension to its mid point. Then tightended up and the split pin added. It need be run the front wheels onto some blocks to get access while its weight is on the wheels still.
 

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Old Dec 31, 2024 | 01:29 AM
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I haven't tightened any of the cross shaft nuts yet (just snugged a bit), waiting until car is all back together, and can drive it onto the four post lift.

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