XK / XKR ( X150 ) 2006 - 2014

2011 XK NA Waterpump question

Old Jul 15, 2022 | 07:33 PM
  #1  
randyb's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,061
Likes: 144
From: FL
Question 2011 XK NA Waterpump question

I am replacing the pump and I noticed the pipe going into the back of the pump is loose, is this normal?
 
Reply
Old Jul 16, 2022 | 06:57 PM
  #2  
jahummer's Avatar
Veteran Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 6,451
Likes: 2,582
From: Florida
Old Jul 16, 2022 | 07:02 PM
  #3  
randyb's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,061
Likes: 144
From: FL
Default

Thanks Jahummer and how do you get it out?
 
Reply
Old Jul 17, 2022 | 01:18 PM
  #4  
lear60man's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 378
Likes: 193
From: SW Florida
Default

Originally Posted by randyb
Thanks Jahummer and how do you get it out?
Its held in place by the tension on the rubber O ring. Just give it a good tug and like Jau said....replace it while you are in there. Make sure to note the position of the pipe before removing. There is a small 'wing' that points to the 7 O'clock position (approximate).
 
Reply
Old Jul 17, 2022 | 07:50 PM
  #5  
bocatrip's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 2,351
Likes: 692
From: Florida
Default

Originally Posted by randyb
I am replacing the pump and I noticed the pipe going into the back of the pump is loose, is this normal?
Make sure you get the correct part. And of course only purchase OEM parts from a Jaguar dealer. If you are replacing the water pump.. you should be replacing the 0 ring and this outlet pipe as well...Part # is...C2Z18658
 
Reply
Old Jul 17, 2022 | 08:31 PM
  #6  
randyb's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,061
Likes: 144
From: FL
Default

Thanks everyone!!!
Original WP was replaced at 27k. was supposed to take a long trip next month, not sure I will with the XK.
 
Reply
Old Jul 17, 2022 | 10:35 PM
  #7  
jahummer's Avatar
Veteran Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 6,451
Likes: 2,582
From: Florida
Default

Also do NOT run the pump without the cooling system fully vacuum filled. One of the things which lead to premature failure’s inadequate coolant level. The pump bearings may overheat quickly and the seal will be compromised.
 
Reply
Old Jul 18, 2022 | 04:34 PM
  #8  
trkyam's Avatar
Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 686
Likes: 227
From: Hawaii
Default

The oil cooler pipe behind the waterpump must be turned counter clockwise to remove,
There are aluminum replacements for it, its a common failure point so I recommend the using aluminum pipe.
 
Reply
Old Jul 18, 2022 | 04:36 PM
  #9  
trkyam's Avatar
Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 686
Likes: 227
From: Hawaii
Default

Also change the small overflow pipe that goes into the front of the waterpump,
its pretty annoying to change but most likely it will brake upon removal
from the old waterpump.
 
Reply
Old Jul 20, 2022 | 08:55 AM
  #10  
bocatrip's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 2,351
Likes: 692
From: Florida
Default

Originally Posted by jahummer
Also do NOT run the pump without the cooling system fully vacuum filled. One of the things which lead to premature failure’s inadequate coolant level. The pump bearings may overheat quickly and the seal will be compromised.
I am planning on currently having all of my plastic cooling lines and pipes replaced. My water pump was replaced by Jaguar recently with the most updated pump and I will not be replacing the newer water pump.
QUESTION...If I am not replacing the water pump, is it still absolutely necessary to have the cooling system vacuum filled? After asking my Indy who will be replacing all the cooling lines and pipes, he told me he doesn't vacuum fill the cooling system. Should I be concerned if I am not installing a new water pump or is vacuum filling more of a safety measure? Can all the air be removed from our cooling system safely without the use of a vacuum fill set up? Thanks all.
 

Last edited by bocatrip; Jul 20, 2022 at 09:29 AM.
Reply
Old Jul 20, 2022 | 12:46 PM
  #11  
lear60man's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 378
Likes: 193
From: SW Florida
Default

Originally Posted by bocatrip
I am planning on currently having all of my plastic cooling lines and pipes replaced. My water pump was replaced by Jaguar recently with the most updated pump and I will not be replacing the newer water pump.
QUESTION...If I am not replacing the water pump, is it still absolutely necessary to have the cooling system vacuum filled? After asking my Indy who will be replacing all the cooling lines and pipes, he told me he doesn't vacuum fill the cooling system. Should I be concerned if I am not installing a new water pump or is vacuum filling more of a safety measure? Can all the air be removed from our cooling system safely without the use of a vacuum fill set up? Thanks all.
Why risk it. I wouldnt do it without vacuum. Its a cheap tool and takes seconds to do it.
 
Reply
Old Jul 20, 2022 | 01:25 PM
  #12  
jahummer's Avatar
Veteran Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 6,451
Likes: 2,582
From: Florida
Default

Yes it MUST be done. One of the lower hoses I replaced I tried by filling via the reservoir. Engine temp went red within just a couple of minutes of idle. Took a full extra gallon of coolant via vacuum and a crazy amount of air came out.
 
Reply
Old Jul 21, 2022 | 11:29 AM
  #13  
007XKR's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 136
Likes: 88
From: Wyoming
Default

I filled without a vacuum through the top of the S/C. It was very tedious, requiring me to stop the engine frequently to let it 'burp'. That being said, I was able to get the proper volume into the system and have never had to top off. That was 5000 miles ago.

Probably not feasible if you have a NA car.
 

Last edited by 007XKR; Jul 21, 2022 at 11:43 AM. Reason: Original qeustion referred to NA cars.
Reply
Old Jul 21, 2022 | 12:25 PM
  #14  
jahummer's Avatar
Veteran Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 6,451
Likes: 2,582
From: Florida
Default

I’ve done that on the 4.2 with no issue. The 5 liter’s a completely different cooling system.
 
Reply
Old Jul 21, 2022 | 03:34 PM
  #15  
bocatrip's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 2,351
Likes: 692
From: Florida
Default

Originally Posted by jahummer
I’ve done that on the 4.2 with no issue. The 5 liter’s a completely different cooling system.
. For whatever reason, my Indy feels it’s not necessary to vacuum fill. If he didn’t have the kit I’m sure it’s not a bid deal to obtain one. He’s been working on the older Jags and only Jags for 30 years. I’ve finally found him to have the shop I totally have confidence in to do a meticulous job while changing the many plastic parts. He mentioned how he fills the system but I don’t recall the details. I’ll need to speak with him again regarding the fill. Can it be done with bleeder valves etc, without vacuum? I really hate to start hunting for another shop. This guy has more Jags in his shop than I could count and many valuable XKEs. I mentioned my concern about hurting the water pump and he was confident it will work. Possibly he has his own method with burping and/or bleeding? I’m thinking that with the many water pumps and cooling lines replaced on our cars... how many shops are actually performing these repairs with the vacuum fill method? If necessary I’ll ask my Indy again. I know it should be no big deal from what I’ve observed with the vacuum fill method. Thanks everyone.
 

Last edited by bocatrip; Jul 21, 2022 at 03:52 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 21, 2022 | 04:20 PM
  #16  
jahummer's Avatar
Veteran Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 6,451
Likes: 2,582
From: Florida
Default

I can only speak with experience. I’ve replaced many cooling parts myself and on the 5 litre burping did not work, there’s just too many hoses, pipes, channels and pockets for air to get trapped. As I said using a vacuum, I managed another gallon of coolant and removed a LOT of air. On the 4.2 SC there was no need for vacuum, there’s a large plug on top of one of the manifolds and burping got all of the air out.

Perhaps he has another technique and may be he’s good at what he does. He’ll find out soon enough once the engine’s running after fill. If the reservoir’s full it overheats then there’s air somewhere and the coolant’s not circulating.
 
Reply
Old Jul 21, 2022 | 04:28 PM
  #17  
trkyam's Avatar
Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 686
Likes: 227
From: Hawaii
Default

I've never needed to do a vacuum fill on my 5.0 N/A, you just open the bleed screws and squeeze the upper hose for a few minutes.
I've done this multiple times while changing coolant pipes.

You run the engine with the resevoir open to keep adding coolant as you burp it by pushing on the upper hose
and then pushing on the drivers side hose by the thermostat, make sure your bleed screw is open though.
the coolant level will keep going down and you add coolant until no more air is coming out.
i'd repeat this after a highway drive to ensure all air is out.
 

Last edited by trkyam; Jul 21, 2022 at 04:31 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 21, 2022 | 04:35 PM
  #18  
jahummer's Avatar
Veteran Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 6,451
Likes: 2,582
From: Florida
Default

The 5 litre SC has 3 bleed screws but it didn't make any difference, coolant would fill the reservoir a few times and then just stay full, even with all 3 screws open and cap off, it was short a full gallon.

EDIT: The N/A may be different, I've not worked on that one.
 
Reply
Old Jul 21, 2022 | 06:04 PM
  #19  
bocatrip's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 2,351
Likes: 692
From: Florida
Default

Originally Posted by jahummer
The 5 litre SC has 3 bleed screws but it didn't make any difference, coolant would fill the reservoir a few times and then just stay full, even with all 3 screws open and cap off, it was short a full gallon.

EDIT: The N/A may be different, I've not worked on that one.
So Jahammer. You’ve only worked on the 5.0 with the supercharger with the vacuum fill and not the NA 5.0 2010 which I’m referring to? Possibly that might be the difference in bleeding the system? Perhaps the NA 5.0 doesn’t require the vacuum method??
 
Reply
Old Jul 22, 2022 | 06:55 AM
  #20  
lear60man's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 378
Likes: 193
From: SW Florida
Default

Workshop manual says both SC and NA refill via vacuum on 5.0.
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:27 PM.