Since this thread is focused on brakes... There are many forum threads on brakes. As we all know, there are floating calipers and fixed calipers.
Floating calipers are on 80% of the cars manufactured. They stop very well for the majority of drivers, and are a commodity and very inexpensive. Floating calipers also work with less expensive rotors that can warp some because the caliper will adjust to the warped rotor.
Fixed calipers cost more to manufacture and are dependent on higher quality rotors that stay flat when they heat up. For single or a couple of hard stops, floating and fixed caliper stop about the same. On repeated brake usage, or on twisty/downhill roads where the brakes are used a lot, fixed calipers are superior. They fade less and dissipate heat better.
Within the class of "fixed calipers" There are many differences as well. Brembo owns the "street OEM" market because they developed and captured the market for street calipers that met the OEM specifications for everyday drivers. (They are designed to last exposure to street dust, oil, debris, salt, mag chloride...) OEM Brembo fixed calipers are designed to be inexpensive, perform better than floating calipers and "Look good" on a vehicle.
OEM Brembos are different than "racing" or "performance" or "offroad" calipers. (Different Piston material, liner material, casting alloys, head dissipation...)

One shouldn't be comparing OEM Brembos to Wilwood, AP racing, EBC, Brembo racing, Alcon , Baer and my others. They are designed for different applications.

Brembo has become a big company and is competing with other big OEM manufacturers that sell fixed calipers: ACDelco, and several Asian/Japanese fixed caliper designs.
https://www.brembo.com/en/company/ab...e-group-brands

 

https://riverside247.com/top-50-fast...ting-vehicles/

 

I didn't understand that list:

1. The graphic at the beginning of that website shows the profile of a third-generation Prius, but that car does not appear on the list.
2. Which is better: to be ranked #50, or #1? When you read the accompanying commentary, the cars that are ranked #50, #49, etc. have a commentary that says what a large % depreciation is incurred, and that this apparently is a bad thing. However, when you read about the cars ranked #1, #2, etc. the commentary says that the depreciation is high and therefore this is a great "investment" for the used car purchaser.
3. Perhaps the point of the list is that all of the cars on that list are hit by heavy depreciation, but in the opinion of the author, the cars ranked #1, #2 etc. are more attractive to own?
4. Note that the XK is ranked 44 on that list. XF appears much higher up.

 

I like the XF but it will suffer what every Jaguar sedan will suffer. It will always NOT be the coupe/convertible platform. Also, what kind of idiot invests in mass produced vehicles?

 

According to Kiplinger- Jaguar XJ6 is in the list of 15 cars with the highest reliability ever.
https://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/...die/index.html

But the best proof that reliability is really emotional and not based in reality is Peugeot 504.
Arguably one of the most reliable cars ever made (thus manufactured by 8 countries and 4 continents).
Peugeot even does great business in Mexico. But never bothered with America.
The answer; French car in a country where reliability is evaluated by emotions.

 

Well, Wikipedia says Peugeot sold cars in the US from 1958 - 1991:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot

"The company began selling cars in the United States in 1958, and in 1960 introduced the Peugeot 404, which used a 1,618 cc (99 cu in) engine, tilted 45°. The 404 proved rugged enough to win the East African Safari Rally four times, in 1963, 1966, 1967, and 1968...
...As experienced by other European volume car makers, Peugeot's United States and Canadian sales faltered and finally became uneconomical, as the Peugeot 505 design aged. For a time, distribution in the Canadian market was handled by Chrysler. Several ideas to turn around sales in the United States, such as including the Peugeot 205 in its lineup, were considered but not pursued. In the early 1990s, the newly introduced 405 proved uncompetitive with domestic and import models in the same market segment, and sold less than 1,000 units. Total sales fell to 4,261 units in 1990 and 2,240 through July 1991, which caused the company to cease its U.S. and Canada operations after 33 years."

 

Patrick that wiki paragraph does not give us the full global picture.
All over the world, even the poorest countries, 504 became the standard bearer for reliability- they are still in use in those countries. But not US.
Peugeot gained a reputation around the world for dependability, but failed to establish one here.

You can see it today today too,..
We have 95% employment and bemoaning car jobs going to Mexico and China.
Only now are we beginning to accept that cars we called junk, four-bangers, rice-burners, were made by the greatest manufacturing civilization in history.

Maybe I can put in form of a question what I am laboring to say:
If a Mexican car company was to build an ultra reliable car, how well would it be received in USA as a reliable car?
How much of reliability is emotional and patriotic. Or how much is rumors of unreliability based in prejudice.

 

Getting back to depreciation ...

Depreciation was relevant when I bought my XKR and XJ. In both cases, the first owner was a corporate lessee that gladly took the big depreciation hit since it was a tax deduction. That enabled me to buy them both at big discounts from new.

Depreciation is irrelevant now that I have decided that my XKR and XJ are both keepers. Sure, they're both worth less than what I paid for them years ago, but so what? I haven't incurred a loss since I don't plan to sell either one in the foreseeable future. Even if I sold them, what could I buy with the proceeds that is any better than what I already have and still enjoy? And yes, I'm still married to my first wife.

 

Yes depreciation is so irrelevant in the scheme of things.
For instance that Buick Roadmaster listed as the most reliable car.
Who the *** is even going to be caught dead in one.
Its 'Disapreciated' faster than depreciated.

1996 model!!

 

 

 

Thanks for the flattery, but you can't have my toys!

 

Peugeot had a pretty sales market in my locale (MA) and were known as reliable cars until they stopped being imported.

 

Well, it does look like a hearse!

 

This is a Hearse, that I do want to own. Manual 6spd with 850hp.

 

Awfully low to the ground. Wouldn't last long in Boston that low.

 

A hearse for the living dead, gullible enough to believe in 1996 that faux wood paneling was aesthetically correct on sheet metal, and that look would last another 20 years.

 

 

 

The Caprice, Roadmaster and Fleetwood all are becoming collector cars because they were end of an era. I absolutely would rock a modded one of those wagons. It's like a V8 sectional couch.