Advice needed on purchasing 2007 XK
#1
11-29-2018, 02:36 PM
Advice needed on purchasing 2007 XK
I have been offered a trade for my 2017 Nissan 370Z with a 2007 Jaguar XK with 28,000 miles. I know nothing about thye Jaguar which has been driven less in 11 years than what I have driven in 1 year as my car has 30K miiles.
My concern is about the car as a daily driver and how reliable is it, Out here in Missouri, USA, they tell me that its far more expensive gto maintain a Jaguar than a Nissan so I am concerned about the trade.
Pros - Exclusivity/looks
Cons: Maintenance expenses (should reliability be a concern?
Performance figures are comparable or slightly favor my car but I am not into racing anyway.
Comments/suggestions appreciated.
My concern is about the car as a daily driver and how reliable is it, Out here in Missouri, USA, they tell me that its far more expensive gto maintain a Jaguar than a Nissan so I am concerned about the trade.
Pros - Exclusivity/looks
Cons: Maintenance expenses (should reliability be a concern?
Performance figures are comparable or slightly favor my car but I am not into racing anyway.
Comments/suggestions appreciated.
Last edited by GGG; 11-30-2018 at 05:39 PM. Reason: Edit typo in thread title
#2
11-29-2018, 03:35 PM
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I got my 2008 with 23,000 miles last year. It has been mostly trouble free. I love the car. I'd do it. (I now have 54,000 miles on it)
Only issues I have had to-date are
1. Glove box damper device became un-attached - common problem, easy fix. There is a thread on here.
2. Rear window (convertible) started to separate. Common problem. Some Rhino glue and suck-it clamps have fixed me up. There is a thread on here.
3. The screen on the info center sometimes does not boot up. Possibly a battery problem, but it is very random.
The batteries can be an issue, many gremlins are caused by a slightly weak battery.
Otherwise, a great car. The only thing I don't like about a 2007 is the automatic antenna, which they did away with in 2008.
Only issues I have had to-date are
1. Glove box damper device became un-attached - common problem, easy fix. There is a thread on here.
2. Rear window (convertible) started to separate. Common problem. Some Rhino glue and suck-it clamps have fixed me up. There is a thread on here.
3. The screen on the info center sometimes does not boot up. Possibly a battery problem, but it is very random.
The batteries can be an issue, many gremlins are caused by a slightly weak battery.
Otherwise, a great car. The only thing I don't like about a 2007 is the automatic antenna, which they did away with in 2008.
#3
11-29-2018, 03:38 PM
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11-29-2018, 04:00 PM
#5
11-29-2018, 04:40 PM
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And the comment about Ford was certainly made in jest (surely?) - as reliable as a Ford, yes - or perhaps more so. There is a common misperception that Jaguar used Ford engines for these cars. This is not true. These are Jaguar engines manufactured in the Ford engine plant specifically for Jaguar, to Jaguar engineering and performance specifications.
Finally, the comment made about the battery is worth heeding. These cars, like all modern luxury cars, need full voltage from the battery all the time to power the many electronic modules. If the battery voltage drops, random, very random gremlins may appear (yes, such as the touch screen not booting, or random warning lights or...) . All of these indicate a battery issue, NOT a fault in the systems. A car used daily for decent runs and which has a good battery will not experience any of this. It is a combination of infrequent use, short runs and perhaps a failing battery that will produce symptoms. Many owners keep their cars on a CTEK maintainer (or similar) if the cars are used infrequently. This guarantees that there will be no issues caused by low voltage.
I have owned many Jaguars; the 2007 XK was one of the best (completely reliable) and that is why it is still in the family.
A complete service history is very desirable, as with any car.
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#7
11-29-2018, 05:26 PM
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The 2007 XK is a perfectly reliable car, in fact it is an excellent car for daily use (I had one, and that car is still in the family and in daily use, highway and city). The 4.2 litre engine is bullet-proof (no water pump issues, but the thermostat and housing will eventually need replacing) and highway mileage is regularly 32 miles per gallon , that is, real gallons, Imperial gallons. Any comment about the XK being slow is, in my experience, fake news...these cars are not slow -yes, the XKR is indeed faster (and uses more fuel)...but in the real world the XK is far more than fast enough. You can get yourself into a lot of trouble very quickly.
And the comment about Ford was certainly made in jest (surely?) - as reliable as a Ford, yes - or perhaps more so. There is a common misperception that Jaguar used Ford engines for these cars. This is not true. These are Jaguar engines manufactured in the Ford engine plant specifically for Jaguar, to Jaguar engineering and performance specifications.
Finally, the comment made about the battery is worth heeding. These cars, like all modern luxury cars, need full voltage from the battery all the time to power the many electronic modules. If the battery voltage drops, random, very random gremlins may appear (yes, such as the touch screen not booting, or random warning lights or...) . All of these indicate a battery issue, NOT a fault in the systems. A car used daily for decent runs and which has a good battery will not experience any of this. It is a combination of infrequent use, short runs and perhaps a failing battery that will produce symptoms. Many owners keep their cars on a CTEK maintainer (or similar) if the cars are used infrequently. This guarantees that there will be no issues caused by low voltage.
I have owned many Jaguars; the 2007 XK was one of the best (completely reliable) and that is why it is still in the family.
A complete service history is very desirable, as with any car.
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#8
11-29-2018, 05:50 PM
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There are sources you can find that give you the cost of ownership.
Here's one but you can only go back to 2012 model years. Still it gives you enough info to get your head around cost of owning.
https://www.edmunds.com/tco.html
You can compare the cost of maintenance, fuel, insurance to your vehicle. Not even close. If you're worried about mileage, think about insurance, maintenance, repairs too.
Good luck and let us know what you decide.
Here's one but you can only go back to 2012 model years. Still it gives you enough info to get your head around cost of owning.
https://www.edmunds.com/tco.html
You can compare the cost of maintenance, fuel, insurance to your vehicle. Not even close. If you're worried about mileage, think about insurance, maintenance, repairs too.
Good luck and let us know what you decide.
#9
11-29-2018, 06:51 PM
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...My concern is about the car as a daily driver and how reliable is it, Out here in Missouri, USA, they tell me that its far more expensive gto maintain a Jaguar than a Nissan so I am concerned about the trade.
Pros - Exclusivity/looks
Cons: Maintenance expenses (should reliability be a concern?
Pros - Exclusivity/looks
Cons: Maintenance expenses (should reliability be a concern?
If you must rely upon dealer service, be ready to spend big $$$ on the infrequent occasions when the XK does need repair.
#10
11-29-2018, 10:22 PM
There are sources you can find that give you the cost of ownership.
Here's one but you can only go back to 2012 model years. Still it gives you enough info to get your head around cost of owning.
https://www.edmunds.com/tco.html
You can compare the cost of maintenance, fuel, insurance to your vehicle. Not even close. If you're worried about mileage, think about insurance, maintenance, repairs too.
Good luck and let us know what you decide.
Here's one but you can only go back to 2012 model years. Still it gives you enough info to get your head around cost of owning.
https://www.edmunds.com/tco.html
You can compare the cost of maintenance, fuel, insurance to your vehicle. Not even close. If you're worried about mileage, think about insurance, maintenance, repairs too.
Good luck and let us know what you decide.
#11
11-30-2018, 08:10 AM
I just read on another thread that "Water pump, Front & Rear Upper Control Arms, Toe Links, Sway bar link ends, etc. Bill ended up being just shy of $7K. I linked the bill below. Are these common issues for these cars @ 25K miles? Are these repairs something I should be concerned about? Any advice would be much appreciated, " and the response was that yes, they all need to be fixed due to poor design and such.
The above has me worried. I dont want to trade my car and then end up paying for all those within a year.
The above has me worried. I dont want to trade my car and then end up paying for all those within a year.
#13
11-30-2018, 08:22 AM
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#14
11-30-2018, 08:52 AM
I am now retired (age 70), have never had Jaguar or a Maserati (there is one with a rebuilt tittle but so beautiful with awesome interior, a Maserati Granturismo) and a part of me wants to drive these cars, sort of like a bucket list. However, I hate the idea of having a car in the shop for days/weeks on end while parts are ordered or having unexpected issues. Maybe I am stereotyping.
For the past 20+ years, I have had mostly sports coupes that were new (the Nissan 370z, the Mazda Miata, the Honda S2000) which never gave me any trouble. Just oil changes. These cars never had trouble before they hit 70,000 miles or more. Now, I am told to expect issues with a car with just 28k miles, that the expenses will be high.
While I want the exclusivity of the cars, I dont want to pay a heavy price with parts needing to be replaced in a car with just 28k miles.
I apologize if I am offending folks here. Its not my intention. I got on the forum to seek reassurance for my doubts. Thanks for being honest.
For the past 20+ years, I have had mostly sports coupes that were new (the Nissan 370z, the Mazda Miata, the Honda S2000) which never gave me any trouble. Just oil changes. These cars never had trouble before they hit 70,000 miles or more. Now, I am told to expect issues with a car with just 28k miles, that the expenses will be high.
While I want the exclusivity of the cars, I dont want to pay a heavy price with parts needing to be replaced in a car with just 28k miles.
I apologize if I am offending folks here. Its not my intention. I got on the forum to seek reassurance for my doubts. Thanks for being honest.
#16
11-30-2018, 10:03 AM
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I'm not too sure about some of the comments in here, they seem a bit depressing.
I've had my 2010 for about ... not quite six years now. I've put on about 30k miles (at 63k or so now) and I've had a total of ONE problem.... and that problem may have been caused by my own stupid self by using 'cheap' fuel more often than I should have. The problem was one stuck fuel injector.
Heck if I can remember how much it cost me exactly, my old brain loses things too much now. I DID have all four injectors on that one bank replaced Just Cuz as it would be foolish to NOT as that side was already torn down. Plus, I had some other Just In Case stuff done, along with some mileage based stuff...... all eight plugs, checked the water pump (was great), changed the trans fluid/pan, check all suspension pieces (all were fine) and a general poke-around.
Total bill was actually about par for any other GDI engine.... about $1800 if I am able to glean the correct synapse from my brain-hole.
I'll take an $1800 hit in six years to own such a finely tuned piece of mechanical beauty any day of my life.
I've had my 2010 for about ... not quite six years now. I've put on about 30k miles (at 63k or so now) and I've had a total of ONE problem.... and that problem may have been caused by my own stupid self by using 'cheap' fuel more often than I should have. The problem was one stuck fuel injector.
Heck if I can remember how much it cost me exactly, my old brain loses things too much now. I DID have all four injectors on that one bank replaced Just Cuz as it would be foolish to NOT as that side was already torn down. Plus, I had some other Just In Case stuff done, along with some mileage based stuff...... all eight plugs, checked the water pump (was great), changed the trans fluid/pan, check all suspension pieces (all were fine) and a general poke-around.
Total bill was actually about par for any other GDI engine.... about $1800 if I am able to glean the correct synapse from my brain-hole.
I'll take an $1800 hit in six years to own such a finely tuned piece of mechanical beauty any day of my life.
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11-30-2018, 10:30 AM
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Ancient stereotypes die very slowly along with many misperceptions fed by misinformation. I personally have owned more than twenty Jaguars beginning with a 1963 Mk2 and have never had one leave me stranded on the side of the road.
I have no experience with owning a Japanese vehicle, so I cannot comment on any comparisons concerning reliability. What I can tell you is that my 2007 X150 is a brilliant car that always is a pleasure to drive. I chose the 2007 over the later vehicles because I prefer the body design over the 'facelift' models. I also wanted the 4.2 litre engine that is extremely reliable. As has been pointed out in the previous posts, the 4.2 does not suffer from water pump failures, but does require one to pay attention to maintaining the cooling system. The thermostat and water outlet should be replaced each time the coolant is changed to avoid possible overheating.
The most important point to consider, in my opinion, is your ability to maintain/repair the vehicle yourself. If you cannot perform the work yourself, find a reputable Jaguar specialist, or stick with the Japanese car.
I have no experience with owning a Japanese vehicle, so I cannot comment on any comparisons concerning reliability. What I can tell you is that my 2007 X150 is a brilliant car that always is a pleasure to drive. I chose the 2007 over the later vehicles because I prefer the body design over the 'facelift' models. I also wanted the 4.2 litre engine that is extremely reliable. As has been pointed out in the previous posts, the 4.2 does not suffer from water pump failures, but does require one to pay attention to maintaining the cooling system. The thermostat and water outlet should be replaced each time the coolant is changed to avoid possible overheating.
The most important point to consider, in my opinion, is your ability to maintain/repair the vehicle yourself. If you cannot perform the work yourself, find a reputable Jaguar specialist, or stick with the Japanese car.
#18
11-30-2018, 10:44 AM
I would have thought the exclusivity comes from initial price (cars costing over $50k are not as common and those approaching $70k plus, less so. I am not sure people would want to pay so much for a car with reliability issues.
#19
11-30-2018, 10:52 AM
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That was a $50k car. Think I'll stick with Jags, more reliable than any Toyota/Lexus I've seen.
#20
11-30-2018, 11:04 AM
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Yes to which end I must add that the Japanese car reliability is a greater myth than the one of Jaguars being unreliable.
The Honda S2000 that Zahmed owned reliably needed a new engine past certain mileage.
Zahmed, regardless of brand, age is something that spares no car, plastics and glue are all the same regardless of country of manufacture. They have a shelf life. So if you are looking to have a great time for a couple of years the Jaguar will be worth your time.
Depreciation not maintenance should be the thing you factor.
So in 2 years if you get $15k for it, you will be paying about $10k to drive that car. And indeed the cost of ownership of this car is around $5k a year. For instance you can buy a 2010 supercharged beast for $30k and sell it for $20k 2 years on- something to consider!...its later than you think. You are in for a serious and deserved upgrade from your previous cars.
The Honda S2000 that Zahmed owned reliably needed a new engine past certain mileage.
Zahmed, regardless of brand, age is something that spares no car, plastics and glue are all the same regardless of country of manufacture. They have a shelf life. So if you are looking to have a great time for a couple of years the Jaguar will be worth your time.
Depreciation not maintenance should be the thing you factor.
So in 2 years if you get $15k for it, you will be paying about $10k to drive that car. And indeed the cost of ownership of this car is around $5k a year. For instance you can buy a 2010 supercharged beast for $30k and sell it for $20k 2 years on- something to consider!...its later than you think. You are in for a serious and deserved upgrade from your previous cars.