Depreciating fast..
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#22
Yep, Jaguars are intended for 2 types of people. Those who have disposable income or those who are resourceful.
It designed not to be attainable to those who should own a run of the mill car.
Aston Martin Valkyrie is an extreme example, its designed only to last for 65k miles. (as they revealed today)
It designed not to be attainable to those who should own a run of the mill car.
Aston Martin Valkyrie is an extreme example, its designed only to last for 65k miles. (as they revealed today)
#23
Speaking of AM - thread hijack:-)
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/12...-is-a-monster/
Check out the DB11 video lower on the page
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/12...-is-a-monster/
Check out the DB11 video lower on the page
#24
Thank you for that post, It increased the value of my Jaguar today.
I lusted after watching the DB11 video and realized, what I have is the DB11 I can afford. Moreover, how current and relevant my car still is.
Can you imagine what XK resale values would be if only those who actually appreciated its virtues owned one.
I lusted after watching the DB11 video and realized, what I have is the DB11 I can afford. Moreover, how current and relevant my car still is.
Can you imagine what XK resale values would be if only those who actually appreciated its virtues owned one.
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You guys are right and it makes me feel a lot better! First, my old car, the 2017 370Z base model with 33k miles was worth about $2k more than the XK on the KBB site but when I saw the XK, its paint and inside (leather, navigation etc.) were far better than my base 370Z and I wanted to experience the car. At first, I got concerned about possible maintenance costs but then found lots of folks on the high mileage thread reporting good reliability and now I am very happy!!!
Its like trading a hot 22 year old that had put on weight for a 40 year old that was still svelte.
Its like trading a hot 22 year old that had put on weight for a 40 year old that was still svelte.
We still talking cars? Because I'm having non-car-related fond memories.
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This said, I actually dated and almost married a hot 22 year old japanese descent woman; we were done as a couple before it was legal. This all said, I love my XK; but I'd definitely rather have the asian, even at 40yo.
We still talking cars? Because I'm having non-car-related fond memories.
We still talking cars? Because I'm having non-car-related fond memories.
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We tend to be solely positive in our recollection. Or as the old saying goes, remembering a former marriage by the one honeymoon night (as opposed to the years of fighting that resulted in divorce)
No one remembers the bath one took with a brand new Merc or BMW GT is worth 2 XKs now.
Was this the one that shanked you with a screwdriver?
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You have underscored the problem with affection (towards anything)
We tend to be solely positive in our recollection. Or as the old saying goes, remembering a former marriage by the one honeymoon night (as opposed to the years of fighting that resulted in divorce)
No one remembers the bath one took with a brand new Merc or BMW GT is worth 2 XKs now.
Was this the one that shanked you with a screwdriver?
We tend to be solely positive in our recollection. Or as the old saying goes, remembering a former marriage by the one honeymoon night (as opposed to the years of fighting that resulted in divorce)
No one remembers the bath one took with a brand new Merc or BMW GT is worth 2 XKs now.
Was this the one that shanked you with a screwdriver?
There's only one ex I actually would go through things again with, but we ended very amicably due to job moves; so no crazy ****. Other than the psycho, my relationships all have ended cleanly but it was clear that we were not compatible and we both should just move on, just standard fizzles.
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There are two reasons.
First, this car is so little well known that if you take the badges off and ask people what it is many won't know.
I have the badges off my car, I get to hear people puzzling over what kind of car it is in parking lots. They know it is special, they just do not know what it is.
You can't shop for what you do not know exists.
Second, Jaguar is still struggling with being the butt of unreliable jokes. It takes some one who is either well researched, or very brave; which greatly limits the buyer base further.
The prices keep going down until either a well researched bargain hunter buys it, or a brave soul finally steps up to the plate.
First, this car is so little well known that if you take the badges off and ask people what it is many won't know.
I have the badges off my car, I get to hear people puzzling over what kind of car it is in parking lots. They know it is special, they just do not know what it is.
You can't shop for what you do not know exists.
Second, Jaguar is still struggling with being the butt of unreliable jokes. It takes some one who is either well researched, or very brave; which greatly limits the buyer base further.
The prices keep going down until either a well researched bargain hunter buys it, or a brave soul finally steps up to the plate.
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#31
So my 07 is a Ford Model and I couldn't be happier with my car. Many of you gents have a Tata Motors version. I suspect you feel the same way. The defects on our cars are minor in comparison to the massive recalls we see in mass production makes and models.
For all the lore about the ghost of Lucas, my personal experience with defects was seldom the actual Lucas part. It was the "British" electrical engineering that seemingly required 35 miles of wire running back and forth along the engine block and through 17 different relays to get a turn signal from the stalk to the bulb.....
I kid of course. Or do I?
#32
Jaguar experts point out; the single thing responsible for weak resale values is:
Jaguar is in no-man's land, they make collector's cars in mass.
The Etype is a good example- considered the most desirable, in all regards, its no more maintenance than anything else as exotic from the period, sells for fraction of other collectibles.
Sometimes its easier to solve the equation by seeing it in reverse.
If Jaguar made the same XK but was a company the size of Morgan, what would the resale be.
BTW reliability has absolutely nothing to do with resale values.
Go look at a Land Rover defender, they go up in value. Go look at a Countach.
Jaguar is in no-man's land, they make collector's cars in mass.
The Etype is a good example- considered the most desirable, in all regards, its no more maintenance than anything else as exotic from the period, sells for fraction of other collectibles.
Sometimes its easier to solve the equation by seeing it in reverse.
If Jaguar made the same XK but was a company the size of Morgan, what would the resale be.
BTW reliability has absolutely nothing to do with resale values.
Go look at a Land Rover defender, they go up in value. Go look at a Countach.
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#34
Also, JLR is near the bottom with Land Rover and Jaguar is only slightly less embarrassing: https://www.jdpower.com/business/pre...dability-study
Also: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...nce-20k-update
"The Velar makes me swear in front of my children, which I rarely do," one driver wrote in the logbook.
#35
Those exact non-Jaguar, German parts are in several other brands.
Miraculously, those brands dont seem to suffer the same reputation.
Its purely emotional.
#36
If this logic worked, then all cars would be as reliable as Toyota, as most of part suppliers operate across all car brands (i.e.NYSE:MGA). Sadly, this is not the case.
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#38
We have to weigh all factors if we are to be unbiased.
Toyota benefits from tremendous patriotism- as it should.
The Toyota GT2000 (identical to Etype) sells for over $1million US.
Its celebrated as a supercar and only has none of the racing heritage nor pedigree to be proud of like the Etype.
Imagine if just the Canadians, who rightfully celebrate many things British and identify themselves with the folks that taught them how to take over someone's country rather than the legendary beaver trappers, were similarly patriotic to the Etype as others are to the GT2000.... Jaguar's resale values would be different.
Or we could simply ask the question in reverse to get to the cruel truth. What is the reason that a GT2000 sells for 10 times more than an Etype?
Toyota benefits from tremendous patriotism- as it should.
The Toyota GT2000 (identical to Etype) sells for over $1million US.
Its celebrated as a supercar and only has none of the racing heritage nor pedigree to be proud of like the Etype.
Imagine if just the Canadians, who rightfully celebrate many things British and identify themselves with the folks that taught them how to take over someone's country rather than the legendary beaver trappers, were similarly patriotic to the Etype as others are to the GT2000.... Jaguar's resale values would be different.
Or we could simply ask the question in reverse to get to the cruel truth. What is the reason that a GT2000 sells for 10 times more than an Etype?
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