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There is also no recommendation from Jaguar to use it at a service location.
Fair enough.
But I'll also point out that my local Jag/Land Rover dealer (and they're legit) strongly recommended they perform a similar procedure on my car the last time it was in. It was not due to an issue with the car, just something they recommend for those engines at 30K mile intervals. I'll see if I can get the exact price they quoted.
I am pleasantly surprised that JLR went with BK44. Because if I recall correctly BK contains Moly- which is a solid lubricant. Will have to look it up. My suspicion is that they went with it because of feed back from their shops on how to save money on fuel injector replacements as most of these shops use the BG service. Techron is not pushed through the professional network like BG is.
Incidentally, lets not give too much credit to JLR.
Lets face it they have finally come around to realizing what we end users have known for years.
So we not them deserve the benefit of doubt.
Now THIS is interesting.
Went ahead and pulled up the original invoice for the JLR dealer 30K service and note that the injector cleaning is a "dealer recommended service"-- AND the part #'s they reference begin with BG. Are these simply BG products??
Fair enough.
But I'll also point out that my local Jag/Land Rover dealer (and they're legit) strongly recommended they perform a similar procedure on my car the last time it was in. It was not due to an issue with the car, just something they recommend for those engines at 30K mile intervals. I'll see if I can get the exact price they quoted.
Yes dealers often do- and they also offer to pump up your tire with nitrogen and a host of other profit laced up charges.
The injector cleaning is a dealer offered service, not Jag OEM as noted on your invoice.
they also offer to pump up your tire with nitrogen and a host of other profit laced up charges.
Not an absolute truth. My tire dealer Costco fills all tires with nitrogen only- and its the same price as air- nada.
But they make huge profits on the hot dogs I consume while waiting for those tires.
(I mention this because you seem to dismiss things when there is a profit motive, just letting you know nitrogen is used even when there isnt a profit motive- go figure)
Yes dealers often do- and they also offer to pump up your tire with nitrogen and a host of other profit laced up charges.
The injector cleaning is a dealer offered service, not Jag OEM as noted on your invoice.
Again, agreed (and yes, I "noted" that when I saw it, but thanks anyway)-- I guess my point is that I can't imagine a JLR dealer would perform a warranty-voiding service, given that they'd have to deal with the fallout.
And if you look closely you'll notice those boxes aren't checked. I opted to do a little research on my own before having the service done (also figured better to have it done AFTER a cross-counttry-and-back-trip). There's a great Ford dealer in LA who preforms the same service for less-- and given that a lot of the engine components are similar, I assume it's not something they'll screw up. I'm throwing away money, I guess, and having it done next week.
And get this, both Ford and GM sell their own brand of fuel injector cleaner additive.
Check out this granted patent for fuel injector cleaner, look at all the other granted patents they cross-referenced. Not once will you see the name of a car company, Chevron, BG multiple times. https://www.google.com/patents/US4784170
Again, agreed (and yes, I "noted" that when I saw it, but thanks anyway)-- I guess my point is that I can't imagine a JLR dealer would perform a warranty-voiding service, given that they'd have to deal with the fallout.
Since the service accomplishes nothing on a healthy engine (may as well wave voodoo chicken bones) why would the warranty be void?
Now THAT was interesting. Thanks.
But it raises a question for me: is the idea of cleaning carbon or other internal contaminants using some kind (any kind) of treatment or additive BS, or is it simply that A) this product is not strong enough, or B)however old this engine is, it's too far gone for any over the counter product?
interesting video, that Techron would probably help with injectors - I know using injector cleaner cured my engine misfire on my Saab 900 turbo years ago.
The funny thing with trying to clear carbon deposits with a carbon based product by burning it surely would result in carbon.
PK4144,
The difference between BG and Techron is that the latter works best as a slow and ongoing process, BG is instantaneous and what you use when you already have buildup. Techron prevents it to some degree.
I understand skepticism and the nature of it. Rather than argue I try to merely present logic. For instance 'snake oil' was yelled from the back. And lets assume it was nothing more than kerosene; would other companies be buying this snake oil from their competitor. Chevron the folks who invented gasoline clearly have some of the best minds working for them. Their 1 project in Australia is worth $430 billion (in contrast the Trump empire's net assets are $1.3B) Would such a company really need to make pennies from selling bottles of concentrate when they already sell it to in astronomical wholesale quantities. These are all questions an inquiring mind should take into consideration when being skeptic.
OK now I'm obsessed with this. Thanks guys.
Jagrag, I just scanned the thread you linked to. Didn't download the long report. But the takeaway, as far as I can tell, is that the first sentence of Q&C's post that you quote above is more or less correct?
Also interesting with the sentence (I'm paraphrasing) "twice the product doesn't yield twice the results." In other words, maybe "add a bottle every 3000 miles or so" isn't such bad advice after all?
