Any opinions on the pros & cons of buying a high mileage XKR-S?

http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Jaguar/XK...orup=18_100_64

 

Here is what KBB thinks the price should be. I have found KBB's pricing to be on the high side.

 

But they are asking $39K USD which is on the low side of your KBB, perhaps with a bit of negotiating a better price may be had.

There is nothing wrong with the mileage, but the higher the mileage the more maintenance may be required if not already completed and should be factored into the cost. You may find a lower mileage example for a little more initial cost but may require fewer repairs. Really the history of the car equates to which would be the better deal.

 

Is that KBB price in US dollars?

 

The KBB price is USD. If the $50K is CAD the price is probably OK.

Most important, to me anyway, is the condition. The ad makes no mention of the condition and there are no decent pictures. This would lead me to suspect that it is not good. I have seldom been positively surprised at the condition of a used car I have looked at.

I would be concerned that a car like that (550 HP XKR-S) has been driven HARD for 100,000 miles. I thrashed the XJR that I had. (So did my normally mild mannered wife as well.) Who has not romped on their R more than once? I doubt a little old lady just drove it to church on Sundays.

It depends what you want to do with the car and if you are doing the maintenance yourself or paying someone else to do it. It probably needs now, or soon will, all new suspension components. If you can replace those parts yourself the cost is not that bad. If you are looking for a nice everyday driver, I would not touch it. If you want a kind of rare Jag to add to your collection, it might be a cheap addition. Remember that when you want to sell it the mileage is going to be a big negative.

 

Seems to be high mileage for a 2013. Although its an XKRS, I would be inclined to pay more for one with much less mileage and try to get one with a CPO if possible. That would cover you for major components for 6 years from the in service date...e.g. some time in 2019.

 

Both of my XKR cars have well over this mileage. The cars are certainly capable of many more miles. I would want to see a service history, however.

 

Simple logic- high mileage negates the fact that its an XKR-S it may as well be an R- you are pretty much guaranteed the loss of 40hp in that many miles.

 

I agree totally. IMHO and for peace of mind, I would prefer purchasing a car with much less mileage and have no problem putting on the high mileage myself.

 

FWIW, guys... every lending institution, dealership and insurance company that I've asked have all said they go by NADA, not KBB.

 

If you are getting serious about acquiring this XKR-S; I would have a PPI by a Jaguar dealer and a jaguar approved body shop. Total cost around $500 US. If the seller is not so inclined I bid him/her an adieu and look for something else.

 

 

Someone had very long highway commute. The car will never be collectible, but if it was maintained you should be fine.

As for all service records, if everything as it should, then why not?

 

By what means? HP doesn't just disappear with mileage. There has to be underlying cause.

 

Cylinder wear + ring wear + valve seat wear = loss of compression.

Burned oil on valves and seats (DI engine) reduces sealing = loss of compression.

Supercharge wear = loss of boost

Contaminated cats = increased exhaust resistance

Timing chain stretch = loss of engine efficiency

etc., etc.

Years ago a friend of mine raced showroom stock cars with Toyota as a sponsor. They gave him a new Supra and free run of their parts depot to cheery pick parts for the engine. They dyno's the motor when it came out of the car and after the rebuild. He picked up almost 10% more HP after the rebuild on a NEW motor. From that I find it reasonable that a well used motor could just as easily loose 10%

 

Sure is, its multifaceted.
Cumulatively, its the buildup of varnish from gas, sludge from oil, scale from water, carbon from combustion. Then in DI you have soot.
Remember that Audi with 40k miles that had the carbon buildup, they only find that out when its lost like 30% of its power to the point where it wont idle.

The underlying cause is that you are effectively changing tolerances and dimensions through out the engine. The timing chain will have elongated outside compensation.

Now tell me how the heck do you put 100k miles on an exotic car in the artic circle with only one highway.

 

David,
AMG got started by polishing new engines gaining a ton more power.
Polishing just the throttle body on my vette was good for 10hp, and yet most folks dont even think to clean theirs off ridiculous amounts of carbon.

 

Maybe it has MORE HP now........

 

If anyone cares, here's MY Mantra on high mileage cars...

If you will drive it a lot, get a low mileage used car, you will get a lot of miles out of it for that higher initial price.

If you will drive only occasionally, a higher mileage car will be fine, you still won't have a lot of miles later on, and it will be cheaper at purchase time.

ALSO, if an XK of any trim has a lot of miles on it, evidently it has NOT been undependable or it wouldn't have been driven so much.

 

Wear must be catastrophic to cost you engine power. You will have notable blow-by and visible exhaust signs before then.

This should be covered by 'don't buy a used car with blown engine' checkbox.

Mechanism is slightly different - sludge will restrict intake, not reduce compression. So this is quite possibly be the case. However, wallnut blasting is about $1,000 at most. If it isn't far-gone, you might get away with intake cleaning.

I am not aware of such thing. SC fails catastrophically, not gradually.

If you car is burning oil, it is possible that catalytic converters overheat and plug. This is very noticeable, and you will even get dash warning and codes prior to this actually happening. This can be gradual process.

Not on a modern engine with adjustable timing. This was the case on old (80s and before) engines. Plus, are you sure XKs are prone to chain stretch? Not all cars do this.

That is, if the car is in a good working condition and everything works you can expect to hit the same numbers as when new. High miles doesn't necessary correspond to more problems. This is because bathtub curve is flat in the middle.