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Power Steering Reservoir Alternate PN

Old Dec 9, 2020 | 10:58 AM
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Default Power Steering Reservoir Alternate PN

Searched on this to no avail.

Time for a PS flush on my 07 XK NA. Always include the reservoir/filter when I flush the PS systems on my cars.

Jag OEM reservoir is priced as you'd expect, greater than $100. Jag PN is C2P17387. OEM appears to be ZF.

Physically almost identical to my BMW reservoirs, which I've gotten for $30 when I flush their PS. Only difference is the angle of the fluid lines. Many makers provide BMW replacements. Can easily use one, but prefer to have exact copy of Jag unit.

Question, then: Has anyone found a cross reference for the Jag reservoir to OEM numbers? Anyone used another near-fit reservoir?

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Old Dec 9, 2020 | 11:33 AM
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I just bite the bullet and get the jag one. Figure you only need to replace the filter every 50,000 miles or so.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2020 | 12:18 PM
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True, but I've made a point of always buying the actual OEM if I can find it. Identical quality (in this case, Lemfoerder/ZF). The price difference is vast. Jag wants the absurd price of $130 for this thing.

I may have found a new OEM ZF reservoir for <$20. Made for BMW for the '07/'08 years. From FCP Euro, who I've done business with for 10 years. I always buy OEM parts from a known source.

I've ordered one, and if It's identical, I'll let the forum know.

I hate to pay the offensive dealer parts prices when I can find the OEM for a lot less.

It was a BMW thing among many of us who did our own work. Idea was same quality without price gouging. We differentiated between OE, OEM and Aftermarket.

OE (BMW) and OEM were generally identical (Lemfoerder, ZF, TRW, Bilstein, Sachs etc.). Aftermarket quality OTOH, varied widely: Moog, Meyle, Dorman, and many others. Some excellent, some EBay junk. So OEM was the best tradeoff.

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Old Dec 9, 2020 | 06:26 PM
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The BMW part is identical. And available very cheap if you don't mind that it's made in China.
I have one on my 2011 XK project car.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 09:43 AM
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Thanks for the confirmation.

For those who need it, the BMW PN is 32416851218. Can be found at a lot of places. Mine, a ZF part, was $18.

For those who weren't aware, the reservoir has a filter in it, that can't be replaced. When flush times comes, best to replace the reservoir as well.

Also, Lemfoerder is the OEM on a lot of Jag XK suspension parts for 06-08 (not sure about successive years). ZF now owns Lem, so you can find a cross reference part list in ZF's pdf catalog. Ford also got their compatible suspension stuff from Lem for those years, AFAIK.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 11:51 AM
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I have a 2009 XKR Portfolio and just hit 50K miles. I thought i had done all the maintenance to include brake, trans. and everything but the PS?? I also have not replaced the Super Charger pump oil yet but it is on the list. Hope this is ok. Dealer said 100K for SC oil?? I do typically replace PS fluid about this time but did not know about a filter or anything else like a reservoir. My reservoir looks brand new, at least on the outside??? I usually just suck the reservoir dry and fill, drive it, and suck it and fill again. I have done this step but never even knew of a filter on any on my other high end stuff. I do not let fluids get old so mixing should not be an issue. Hoping I don't have my head in my butt here. Is there more that i should do? I love this car and am not fond of the F so I have no plans to send this down the road but maintenance is key for cars that sit most of their time. Please educate a potential dumb guy!! Given i paid over $100K for this car and it is virtually worthless now, keeping it pristine is worth a few bucks to me as it cannot be replaced with new any longer and my car is almost perfect, like new. It has it's own bedroom with a few Cadillac's and Porsche's that I love also. I simply need to know what to tell the dealer (who never mentioned this) to do or if it is not major, i do have a full auto shop nicer then most dealers but I do avoid suck jobs. The dealer never mentioned this service and they are always more then willing to suck my wallet dry for normal maintenance. I did try to call them but was unable to get them on the phone. Covid maybe, who knows. Any advice is appreciated!!! I still plan to touch base with Jag also. Thanks for any advice!!
 
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 01:39 PM
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Most on here would recommend S/C fluid changed @50,000 miles.

Your method for PS fluid is ok as long as you are doing it in shorter intervals and its not changing color or getting dirty. However you should have it fully flushed and filter/reservoir replaced at some point (i believe 50k is also the interval for this). A full flush requires the hoses to be disconnected from the reservoir anyway, so replacing it is just removing 2 screws at that point.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 02:19 PM
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Thanks, sounds good. I usually change all the reservoir fluids once a year in all my cars as it is simple and also flush the brakes every two to avoid moisture in the calipers. I will order the SC oil. Should i simply order the factory oil or is there an aftermarket equivalent? I am betting that is not a Jag blower. Given what Jag charges for a quart of engine oil I am sure the SC oil is brutal given most never change it.

So does the reservoir go bad or do you replace simply to start off with a clean one? Mine is clean and maintained but i will replace if there is a failure mode that occurs.

I just spoke with my Jag dealer and they told me there is no filter and they recommend a change at 100K for the PS. Given it is almost ten years old i disagree but not sure what to order for a PS filter now. I also checked a few on line places and no filter found. Any thoughts???

2009 XKR Portfolio with every option I could order.
Thanks for your advice, much appreciated!!
 
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 02:21 PM
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Everyone's got their service targets, but I generally agree to 50-70K miles (for PS fluid, based on what I saw in BMW's 5 series). BMW used both ATF and CHF11 (hydraulic fluid) in different cars. Can't mix them, though. System is almost the exact same configuration/design as the 5, 6, and 7 series. As usual, lubricant is cheap; metal is expensive.

Can't speak to the "no filter" bit. Maybe Jag's part doesn't have one (but I'm skeptical -- they're made by the same company). But every BMW reservoir does, and the BMW one I'm ordering to replace the Jag one certainly does.

OK, alternative methods:

The turkey baster method gets a lot out, but I was always suspicious that the filter would get clogged and circulation would be restricted at high mileage. And everything I pulled was above the filter.

So, after using the turkey baster method, I tried the "suck it out of the feed hoses" method, which got more out, then replaced the reservoir/filter to refresh the filtering. Clearly could see better flow in the reservoir.

Jag recommends the full flush (section of the maintenance manual attached) that feeds a continuous flow of new fluid as it pumps out the old. Seems pretty good to me, since you likely only do it once in a very long while, and steering racks are %^$#@ing expensive on our 6-13 year old XK's. Of course, they recommend replacing the reservoir/filter. BTW, this is a messy job, even if you suck out the reservoir carefully. Some pigmat or a big handful of paper towels are a good idea to catch the fluid that flows out of even an "empty" reservoir when you disconnect the hoses.

I've got my filter coming in and plan to do a jag-type flush next week. They say 4 L of Dex 3 to do a complete fluid refresh. No, the system doesn't take 4 liters -- they use that much to clean out the cooler as well, and there;'s some extra wasted as new pushes out old. Don't forget: If you don't have hose clamp crimping tools, a couple of screw on hose clamps will do.


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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 02:41 PM
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Tks, I just ordered a factory manual as I am certainly missing some stuff here. Seems simple enough to me but do you have a part number for the filter? I did not see that step in what you sent me. I am sure i will find it when the manuals arrive though. So strange that the dealer is not on top of this. They make a ton of money on maintenance, especially when someone is willing to pay. I know Cadillac and Mercedes has that dialed in and actually come and get my car to perform the financial hosing, but they also come if there is an issue so there is value. Jag did that under warrantee but i think they are in a bit of trouble financially so cutting back on service. 10 year old car is hard for a dealer to get motivated by unless you flash cash, i do get that!
 
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 02:50 PM
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Tks, I just ordered a factory manual as I am certainly missing some stuff here. Seems simple enough to me but do you have a part number for the filter? I did not see that step in what you sent me. I am sure i will find it when the manuals arrive though. So strange that the dealer is not on top of this. They make a ton of money on maintenance, especially when someone is willing to pay. I know Cadillac and Mercedes has that dialed in and actually come and get my car to perform the financial hosing, but they also come if there is an issue so there is value. Jag did that under warrantee but i think they are in a bit of trouble financially so cutting back on service. 10 year old car is hard for a dealer to get motivated by unless you flash cash, i do get that!
The factory manuals (and electrical manual) is in the stickies in PDF form. Free.

The BMW PN is 32416851218. I noted the Jag one, but dismissed it once I found a duplicate. Jag of West Palm Beach has a decent parts search function if you want theirs. Bill400 also confirmed the BMW as a duplicate of Jag's. FCP Euro has it for $18, plus $9 shipping. Rockauto probably has it for less, but FCP had the ZF version.

 
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 05:19 PM
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You can buy an aftermarket supercharger oil kit that includes the fluid and syringe to suck it out.

The filter is built into the reservoir as mentioned before. If the dealer told you there is no filter, its probably because they never replaced one.

It is held in place by a single screw but cannot be removed or replaced because it won't fit through the opening:



 
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Old Dec 10, 2020 | 07:58 PM
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My car has only 30k miles but is 12 years old so figured all fluids should be changed. I recently changed both the PS fluid and supercharger oil on my 4.2L (the 5l SC oil change is a bear as documented elsewhere in the forum but can be done).
See “What did you do on your X150 today” posts 1304 and 1305 for my experience and methods used. Neither was difficult or expensive but were a bit messy. I feel better having fresh lubricants in any case.
 

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Old Dec 11, 2020 | 04:55 AM
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Thanks so much for all the great info. I do not usually come here as my Jag simply works unlike any other jag I Have owned in the past. It's nice to see that others appreciate the vehicle, it sure makes problems easier to deal with with support like this which most dealers will not provide. Again, THANKS, very helpful.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2020 | 12:17 PM
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In Ranchero’s blog on ”fixing the green junk” or something to that effect, he mentions taking a screwdriver to remove the filter on the inside of the reservoir, and cleaning it. I’m lazy and replaced the reservoir.
 
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Closer to "the green something or Let's fix this junk" I think.
 
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Tks, i searched the part number at rock Auto and they have several choices, some super cheap should you have a 200,000 mile Jag running on a budget. Also had factory and BMW stuff so lots to pick from. My poor Jag never even moved this year due to Covid. My wife and i usually use that car for intimate trips to the ocean or mountains. Something about that car and women It will be coming out in the spring and it will get the full treatment in the shop. Thanks to your support i will also add stat housing and PS reservoir along with a SC oil change. Pretty cheap insurance for a car that is a bygone and is a supreme Gran tourer!!
 
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Old Dec 11, 2020 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gkubrak
You can buy an aftermarket supercharger oil kit that includes the fluid and syringe to suck it out.

The filter is built into the reservoir as mentioned before. If the dealer told you there is no filter, its probably because they never replaced one.

It is held in place by a single screw but cannot be removed or replaced because it won't fit through the opening:

Glubrack, I'm confused. Note I don't have an XKR, so maybe I'm missing something. The reservoir I'm speaking of is for the Power Steering. You keep mentioning the supercharger fluid. Are there two similar reservoirs in the R, one for supercharger fluid and one for PS fluid? Or am I just misreading things? Thanks, Panthera
 
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Old Dec 12, 2020 | 11:20 AM
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Sorry, i introduced the SC oil in the same thread. I believe the item pictured above is for the PS reservoir which was on topic and what caught my interest due to the filter/screen.
 
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