Hi,

My brand new (to me) 2011 XKR came with 22" Lexani CVX-44 rims instead of the original 20" Kalimnos wheels (it's a Black Package car). I like the look of the rims, but unfortunately the rear rims are too wide, so they sit outside of the fender, and I have frequent tire rubbing.





Rather than having to spring for 4 new wheels and tires, I'm hoping to be able to just replace the two rears (there doesn't appear to be any rubbing on the front ones), and keep the same tires.

Here is what I have today:

Front
22 x 9.5 Offset unknown. Tires are 255/30.

Rear
22 x 10.5 Offset: 15mm. Tires are 295/25.

In order to make sure I order the correct size rims, can anyone tell me what the original rim widths and offsets were?

I'm thinking I could get away with getting the same 10.5" rear rims, but with a 35mm offset, instead of the 15mm offset. That should bring everything in 20mm, which should be enough for the tire to not rub anymore. When I look at the current rims, it doesn't look like the extra 20mm offset will cause any issues with brake clearance (there is plenty of room between the spokes and the calipers.

Let me know if you have any thoughts on the above.

Thanks,

\ Henrik

 

Did you measure how far past the fenders they protrude? Looks like the car has been lowered too which would contribute to the rubbing. But from the angle of the pic, it is hard to determine. You should be okay with 5mm in from the outside of the fender so if they are currently out 5mm, then you'd want a 25mm or more offset.

 

Wheel specifications are listed in the X150 Workshop Manual section 204-04, however there is no mention of the 'offset' for any of the OE rims.

The OE 20-inch rims could be either 8.5J X 20 Front/9.5J X 20 Rear or 9.0J X 20 Front/10.5J X 20 Rear. In some markets, an additional molding is fitted to the outer wheel arches so the wheels do not protrude beyond the bodywork, which is a violation.

If you like the wheels and the vehicle has been lowered, you may need to return the vehicle to the original ride height to avoid having any wheel interference with the bodywork.

 

Stop before you make a drastic mistake, them rims look awesome and suit the car, it would be a total disaster to replace them.
Maybe you could look into getting the arches rolled, it is simple done and can stop rubbing or go for a harder spring. I would do the arch rolling option.
Here's an example video

 

Thank you all very much for your very informative replies. The plot thickens a little bit. Measuring the amount of "protrusion", I found that the driver's rear (which seems to have most of the rubbing), sticks out about 5mm. That is from the edge of the rim. The tires are a few mm further in since the rims have a "lip" on them. However, if I measure around the 2 o'clock position (where the wheel arch meets the rear panel, the rim sticks out around 12mm. Oddly, the passenger side wheel doesn't have the same issue. The rim sits nicely under (but not quite inside) the arch - a few mm in from the edge. At 2 o'clock, the rim only sticks out about 5mm. So clearly, there is a difference between the two sides. I suspected camber, but rough measurements didn't seem to support that. The next step will be to take it in to an alignment / suspension shop to get their opinion.

With regards to lowering, I have no idea if this was done or not. I have app. 375mm from center of wheel to fender - is that lower than standard? If so, I would have no issue bringing it back to the original height.

Powerhouse: Thank you for your comment about the looks of the rims. I think they look great as well - and the picture doesn't even do them full justice. The spokes are polished on the surface and black on the sides, which is a look I like. The rears are also nicely concave, making them look even wider than they are. I'm familiar with the rolling, and if that is an option on our cars, I may look into that if the suspension / alignment check doesn't reveal anything.

NBCat: Thank you for the Workshop Manual info. I'll have to get me one of those. The car came to me without even an owner's handbook, no NAV dvd, and with only one key. Who knows what else I'm missing.

jahummer: Thank you for pointing out that the car may be lowered. As mentioned above, I will have that checked out right away.

Thanks again to all for taking the time to write your great answers!

 

Hope you get it sorted as i said they look awesome. Any chance you can post a few more pictures of the wheels close up and from the rear.
Found a picture of your wheels in profile, o ya you have to keep them. I would have fitted these if i knew about them. Maybe on my next purchase. Thought 22's would look to big, but no.

 

Powerhouse, I reckon you might have a few problems with those dubs on the Irish roads, especially with the winter potholes you get up your way - I foresee bent rims...

 

Good find on that picture - those are exactly my rims. I'm attaching a few more pictures below. The look of those wheels on the car was part of what attracted me to this particular car in the first place. I have found 22s to look a little out of place on most cars around here, but on the XKR they seem to fit perfectly

 

Yur right there, the roads in Ireland are sh*t, but if i keep my right foot down i'll just glide over them
I see what you mean gr8dane about the wheel rim sticking out past the tire, i never seen that so much on a rim. The rim could take a serious wide tire, lovely.

 

The way the rim protrudes way beyond the tyre suggests to me that the tyres are undersized for the rim. I'm guessing they had to go for narrower tyres than would be normal for that rim to avoid even worse arch fouling.

 

You got in front of me Ngarara with your reply, i wonder what size would these take 305/315

 

I think the piece of the rim you see protrude out from the tire is a cosmetic piece. It is not an integral part of the wheel, and it has a black bead of plastic on the inside. I think they do this to make the wheel look more concave. I haven't had the tires off, so I can't say what the edgee actually looks like, but I think the tire size is correct, and that they are meant to look the way they do.

Of course, my knowledge of rims and tires is marginal at best, so feel free to educate me

 

gr8dane The picture i got of your wheel was from this site, same rims as yours , different front tire and rim width, same rears,
New 22" Lexani CVX-44 Wheels - Club Lexus Forums

As a matter of interest and i'm not trying to be smart but when i zoom in on the rear wheel picture it looks like it says 225/25/22,or 235/25/22, not 295 i know these sizes tire is available, i'm sure this isn't the case, have you a wrong size tire on one side.

 

Yup, I read it as 235/25ZR22, which would be a very skinny rear tyre for an XKR, but that has to be a trick of the photo. It must be a 285, surely.

 

Maybe, if it is 285, it still is to narrow.

 

Sorry I should have specified the measurements should be taken at the 12 o'clock position. If it is 5mm out, then you need a 25mm to 30mm offset to bring it in but I would not bring it in any more than that. A 10.5 will fit just fine with the proper offset.

As far as the lowering springs you should, again at the 12 o'clock position, have approximately 1.5" of space between the fender and the tire. If it is a lot less than that, then you probably have aftermarket springs.

I also agree the tires appear too narrow for the width of the rims. I can't see from your pics but they should be 295/25-22 or a 305/20-22 for a 10.5 rim on your car. Looking at pics of these rims on other cars, they do not look anything like yours as far as fitment.

 

The sidewall of the tire in this picture is not supposed to be like that if on the proper size wheel. This is what the kids these days call hyper lipped. It's dangerous as a pot hole can knock the tire off the wheel. Will also cause uneven wear on the tire.

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We have not heard back from the OP, but I am certain that is a 235/25-22 tire on the rear which is at least 60mm too narrow as I mentioned above. I should have also mentioned the front tires also look too small. Definitely not safe.

 

My XKR is lowered by 35mm and I suspect from the close-up photos, that the gr8dane XKR is not lowered. I want to put new 21" wheels on mine but I am also concerned about the rear clearance especially after it has been lowered. Can't seem to get any definitive data to go on -

 

A lot of things have happened since my last posts (but I still have the original issue). Let me try to summarize:
I can see how the tire width designation looks like 235 in the pictures, but the tires are 295/25 x 10.5. According to the tire manufacturer’s web site, the 295s are approved for rims between 10” and 11”, so the tires should be sized appropriately for the rims. They do look a little funny, but part of that is the extra chrome lip added to the wheel. That lip is not a structural part of the wheel – they add it on, sort of like a collar. The tires are fairly cheap tires, so it could be that their sidewalls don’t behave like the sidewalls of better tires.
Best I can measure, my left wheel sticks out 5-6mm further than the right. I have spoken to various body shops, mechanics, alignment places, etc., and all say this is fairly normal. Only, you don’t notice it on most cars because the wheels sit inside the fenders. There are no signs of the car having been in an accident, it tracks true, and I just had it aligned on a Hunter Rack, just to make sure everything was set up perfect. The car also has the stock suspension (i.e. it hasn’t been lowered).
The left wheel sticks out 4-5mm past the fender (measured at 12 o’clock). The right wheel sits about 1mm inside the fender (both measurements are measured from the outside edge of the fenders). The current tires sit about 4mm in from the edge of the rims (the collar).
I switched the wheels around to check if the issue possible was with one of the wheels, but the result was the same (they are now back in their correct spots J )
So – this leaves me thinking that the only solution (other than 4 new rims and tires) are to replace the two rear rims. I could replace just the one that sticks out, but running with different offsets doesn’t seem like a good idea. Unfortunately, the Lexani CVX-44 wheels have been discontinued. I’m hoping to hunt down some remaining stock, but before I do that, I need to decide on what offset to look for.
The current wheels have 15mm offsets. I want the new wheels to not stick out to where they rub, but I also want them out as far as it is reasonable to have them. Clearance in the back and over the calipers doesn’t appear to be an issue (within reason).
For those of you who have changed wheels or run spacers, how far in from the outside fender edge do your wheels sit?
I’m leaning towards going with 30mm offsets. That will move things in 15mm, which is quite a bit, but I want to make sure I don’t have any issues – even with other tires that may fill the rims out another 4-5mms.
Does anyone know what the stock offset was? I seem to be finding different values depending on where I look, but if I could find the correct values, I should be able to calculate a fairly accurate offset for these wheels.


Thanks again for all the posts above - they have been very helpful!