What the heck is this sound? (With video)
#1
What the heck is this sound? (With video)
There is a loud clicking sound when I accelerate aggressively (in either forward or reverse, although I am rarely accelerating aggressively in reverse!) or am doing an aggressive downshift with the paddles. It appears that sometimes, simply changing from D to R can cause the noise to happen.
Any idea what it could be?
I'm taking the car back to the dealer. Last time they said they couldn't replicate the sound.
Any idea what it could be?
I'm taking the car back to the dealer. Last time they said they couldn't replicate the sound.
Last edited by amcdonal86; 04-14-2013 at 05:20 PM.
#2
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Perth Ontario Canada
Posts: 11,058
Received 2,255 Likes
on
1,840 Posts
#7
Sliding Calipers
My guess is that the noise is coming from the Brake Caliper moving.
That's not as bad as it seems - its meant to move !
Our cars (both XK and XK-R EXCEPT the models with the optional Alcon brakes) have sliding calipers. There's a single big piston in each caliper. Its on the inside of the caliper, and pushes the inside pad onto the disc. That then causes the entire caliper to slide inwards on slide mounts, pulling the outside pad into contact.
(Weird huh ?? In the Ducati motorcycle world, a popular upgrade to this kind of Brembo brakes is to replace this kind of caliper with a 2 piston caliper. Works much better, as it gives more progressive linear feel.)
Anyway, this movement of the caliper can generate a 'creak' when braking and turning (eg parking). My 2008 XK does this, and its on my list to fix. Its a creak, however (and I think I heard it at one point in your video), but your sound is different, and pronounced when going forwards/backwards. But, I think, related.
I'd pull a wheel off and check for movement of the caliper,especially forwards and backwards. It should move in-and-out.
I've attached the TSB (courtesy of Jag Docs!) for this noise. Doesn't specifically mention the XK-R, but my workshop manual says you have similar, but larger, brakes.
Good luck - and good idea to make the diagnostic video !
That's not as bad as it seems - its meant to move !
Our cars (both XK and XK-R EXCEPT the models with the optional Alcon brakes) have sliding calipers. There's a single big piston in each caliper. Its on the inside of the caliper, and pushes the inside pad onto the disc. That then causes the entire caliper to slide inwards on slide mounts, pulling the outside pad into contact.
(Weird huh ?? In the Ducati motorcycle world, a popular upgrade to this kind of Brembo brakes is to replace this kind of caliper with a 2 piston caliper. Works much better, as it gives more progressive linear feel.)
Anyway, this movement of the caliper can generate a 'creak' when braking and turning (eg parking). My 2008 XK does this, and its on my list to fix. Its a creak, however (and I think I heard it at one point in your video), but your sound is different, and pronounced when going forwards/backwards. But, I think, related.
I'd pull a wheel off and check for movement of the caliper,especially forwards and backwards. It should move in-and-out.
I've attached the TSB (courtesy of Jag Docs!) for this noise. Doesn't specifically mention the XK-R, but my workshop manual says you have similar, but larger, brakes.
Good luck - and good idea to make the diagnostic video !
The following users liked this post:
muncher (05-07-2013)
Trending Topics
#8
#9
I am doubtful that it is the pads relaxing since I can create this noise repeatedly without having ever touched the brakes.
I have a different creaking sound while turning/braking, but that is much much quieter. I plan on performing that TSB myself, as the dealer has stated it won't be covered under warranty.
I have a different creaking sound while turning/braking, but that is much much quieter. I plan on performing that TSB myself, as the dealer has stated it won't be covered under warranty.
#10
The following users liked this post:
amcdonal86 (04-16-2013)
#12
I am doubtful that it is the pads relaxing since I can create this noise repeatedly without having ever touched the brakes.
I have a different creaking sound while turning/braking, but that is much much quieter. I plan on performing that TSB myself, as the dealer has stated it won't be covered under warranty.
I have a different creaking sound while turning/braking, but that is much much quieter. I plan on performing that TSB myself, as the dealer has stated it won't be covered under warranty.
Not that this is any issue for you, but do you have Dynamic Stability Control? The DSC uses your rear brakes to control the rear wheels...just FYI.
This is (one of the reasons) why the rear brakes wear out quicker on these cars than one might expect.
The following users liked this post:
amcdonal86 (04-16-2013)
#13
I yanked on the calipers with a rubber coated wrench and they did not move much or produce any sort of noise. And yes, I do have creaking pads, which are also somewhat audible in my video. However, the noise in question is (in my opinion) distinct from this sound. I'm thinking it could be a loose bolt in the suspension somewhere, or a control arm bushing.
Interesting theory about the DSC--I should try turning off the DSC completely and see if the noise still occurs. I doubt it will make a difference, since the noise doesn't always have to happen when I am losing traction.
The car is at the dealer now, hopefully they can figure it out.
Interesting theory about the DSC--I should try turning off the DSC completely and see if the noise still occurs. I doubt it will make a difference, since the noise doesn't always have to happen when I am losing traction.
The car is at the dealer now, hopefully they can figure it out.
#14
I yanked on the calipers with a rubber coated wrench and they did not move much or produce any sort of noise. And yes, I do have creaking pads, which are also somewhat audible in my video. However, the noise in question is (in my opinion) distinct from this sound. I'm thinking it could be a loose bolt in the suspension somewhere, or a control arm bushing.
Interesting theory about the DSC--I should try turning off the DSC completely and see if the noise still occurs. I doubt it will make a difference, since the noise doesn't always have to happen when I am losing traction.
The car is at the dealer now, hopefully they can figure it out.
Interesting theory about the DSC--I should try turning off the DSC completely and see if the noise still occurs. I doubt it will make a difference, since the noise doesn't always have to happen when I am losing traction.
The car is at the dealer now, hopefully they can figure it out.
#15
I have heard this noise before but in a different models and usually more severe, I hear the brakes creek,the linkage clicking, but as you take the pressure off the drive line I hear what COULD be the sounds of a bearing in the universal joint popping, if you are traveling forward the torque is steady in that rotation direction so you won't hear it on the highway, same in reverse as long as you don't change directions, but changing rotation directions if the needle bearing are wore they sound like the one I'm hearing. probably the rear drive shaft.Not enough to cause vibration YET but soon you'll get a harmonic hum at road speed.It happened to my 03 @ 43000.I told them what it was and they replaced the drive shaft, noise gone.
The following users liked this post:
amcdonal86 (04-16-2013)
#16
I did think of the u-joints in the drivetrain as I have had them go bad before in the past (different car). Interesting what you said about a harmonic hum. I do seem to have a harmonic hum, but I thought it was just in my head. It always seems to be approximately the same pitch and is most noticeable whe at highway speed or just cruising around town at a constant speed. I always assumed this was the "exhaust drone" that people were complaining about but now I'm not so sure...
#17
I have heard this noise before but in a different models and usually more severe, I hear the brakes creek,the linkage clicking, but as you take the pressure off the drive line I hear what COULD be the sounds of a bearing in the universal joint popping, if you are traveling forward the torque is steady in that rotation direction so you won't hear it on the highway, same in reverse as long as you don't change directions, but changing rotation directions if the needle bearing are wore they sound like the one I'm hearing. probably the rear drive shaft.Not enough to cause vibration YET but soon you'll get a harmonic hum at road speed.It happened to my 03 @ 43000.I told them what it was and they replaced the drive shaft, noise gone.
#18
The following users liked this post:
amcdonal86 (05-07-2013)
#19