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Old Sep 22, 2020 | 10:09 AM
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l need to put the lock pin into the flex plate on my 1999 XK8 for top end reassembly.

To save me climbing under the car countless times could someone be so kind as to tell me;

#1 piston at 45 degrees ATDC, is it on its way up, or down ?

#1 piston at 45 degrees ATDC , where is the piston, flush? 10mm down? etc etc

Many thanks, bits are not all here yet, i just like to try and build it in my head first.
 

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Old Sep 22, 2020 | 10:21 AM
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It'll be on its way down until 180 degrees ATDC. Top = 0 degrees, bottom = 180 degrees.
 
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Old Sep 22, 2020 | 10:51 AM
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It'll be on its way down until 180 degrees ATDC. Top = 0 degrees, bottom = 180 degrees.

Many thanks, on the back of that i will start 21mm down and see where that takes me.
 
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Originally Posted by Markel
Many thanks, on the back of that i will start 21mm down and see where that takes me.

forgive me for stating the obvious, but why not attach a degree wheel to the crankshaft ?

You will not get repeatable accuracy by trying to measure degrees of crankshaft rotation by measuring the millimeters of piston movement instead.

That’s why valve timing has always been expressed in terms of crankshaft degrees of rotation, not by measuring piston movement.


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Old Sep 23, 2020 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by zray
forgive me for stating the obvious, but why not attach a degree wheel to the crankshaft ?

You will not get repeatable accuracy by trying to measure degrees of crankshaft rotation by measuring the millimeters of piston movement instead.

That’s why valve timing has always been expressed in terms of crankshaft degrees of rotation, not by measuring piston movement.


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There are specific tools for this job which i have, i order to find where this tool is put into the ring gear, it helps to know approx where 45 ATDC is all i am doing is trying to find this hole in the first time or two of crawling under the car.

l dont know about the obvious, but probably the unnecssecery due to seeing these tools i have used in every manual i have seen, and none with a degree wheel

This is the way the manual says to do it. so this is the way i will.




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Old Sep 23, 2020 | 09:49 AM
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I just get under the car and turn the engine until the timing slot appears in the 'window' next to the CKPS hole where the crank lock tool goes.
You can pry on the torque converter with a large screwdriver or get a long handle 'flex-ratchet' with a 24mm socket on the damper.

If you find the cams 180 degrees out, rotate the engine around again to get it right.
Install the crank lock tool and set the cams/chains, etc.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2020 | 07:24 PM
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Or you can just measure 22mm from the top of cylinder #1 on the downward stroke which will put you bang on or within a hair as this is where 21mm get you.

Do it in one, no degree wheel, wobbly extensions or any other performance.


 
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