water wetter / RP ICE etc. do you use it?
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Standard coolant already contains the same ingredients as 'water wetter'. Adding more doesn't make it 'water wetter-er-er'.
Unlike some poorly designed muscle cars of the 60s, cars today have very efficient cooling systems that allow the thermostat to control engine temps under any and all conditions. If some 'miracle fluid' was added to the coolant that allowed a decrease in the coolant temperature, the thermostat would simply close to bring the temp back up to the design point.
Waste of money.
Unlike some poorly designed muscle cars of the 60s, cars today have very efficient cooling systems that allow the thermostat to control engine temps under any and all conditions. If some 'miracle fluid' was added to the coolant that allowed a decrease in the coolant temperature, the thermostat would simply close to bring the temp back up to the design point.
Waste of money.
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The only test write up I could find that showed a significant lowering of temperature compared 50-50 water glycol with 1 part wetter in 32 parts water.
Re Mikey's comment - this review measured cylinder head temp in 3 places and there was a significant drop there.
It's a shame they didn't use plain water as well.
Re Mikey's comment - this review measured cylinder head temp in 3 places and there was a significant drop there.
It's a shame they didn't use plain water as well.
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Those results sound typical of a comparison between typical coolant mix vs. plain water in an unregulated open system. Most likely the water wetter 'just happened to be there' and had minimal effect on temperature reduction. As you said without a comparison with plain water, it's pretty much a meaningless test.
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Those results sound typical of a comparison between typical coolant mix vs. plain water in an unregulated open system. Most likely the water wetter 'just happened to be there' and had minimal effect on temperature reduction. As you said without a comparison with plain water, it's pretty much a meaningless test.
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Standard coolant already contains the same ingredients as 'water wetter'. Adding more doesn't make it 'water wetter-er-er'.
Unlike some poorly designed muscle cars of the 60s, cars today have very efficient cooling systems that allow the thermostat to control engine temps under any and all conditions. If some 'miracle fluid' was added to the coolant that allowed a decrease in the coolant temperature, the thermostat would simply close to bring the temp back up to the design point.
Waste of money.
Unlike some poorly designed muscle cars of the 60s, cars today have very efficient cooling systems that allow the thermostat to control engine temps under any and all conditions. If some 'miracle fluid' was added to the coolant that allowed a decrease in the coolant temperature, the thermostat would simply close to bring the temp back up to the design point.
Waste of money.
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Funny- old Corvettes is what I had in mind when I posted above regarding poorly designed '60s muscle cars. You can argue that it's the clutch fan that is the root cause- but that's part of the cooling system nonetheless. Mine still has the almost 40 year old stock fan and clutch on it and nevers exceeds 200ish on the hottest days. GM designed the assembly with hot weather and idle speeds in mind.
If you're saying that NEW Corvettes overheat on a hot day- there's something wrong that needs to be repaired. Bubba may have been for a visit under the hood.
If you're saying that NEW Corvettes overheat on a hot day- there's something wrong that needs to be repaired. Bubba may have been for a visit under the hood.
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Funny- old Corvettes is what I had in mind when I posted above regarding poorly designed '60s muscle cars. You can argue that it's the clutch fan that is the root cause- but that's part of the cooling system nonetheless. Mine still has the almost 40 year old stock fan and clutch on it and nevers exceeds 200ish on the hottest days. GM designed the assembly with hot weather and idle speeds in mind.
If you're saying that NEW Corvettes overheat on a hot day- there's something wrong that needs to be repaired. Bubba may have been for a visit under the hood.
If you're saying that NEW Corvettes overheat on a hot day- there's something wrong that needs to be repaired. Bubba may have been for a visit under the hood.
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It works and it is sound chemistry
Water Wetter - It is an additive product. Water Wetter is what is called a “surfactant.” What this means is that it reduces the surface tension of the water or in other words, it allows the water/fluid to “rub” closer to the metal allowing it to better draw off heat. Water Wetter works and it is good stuff.
The benefits of WaterWetter or Purple Ice are:
-Doubles the wetting ability of water
-Improves heat transfer
-Has the ability to reduces cylinder head temperatures
-Reduces rust, corrosion and electrolysis of all metals
-Provides long term corrosion protection
-Cleans and lubricates water pump seals (new waterpumps do not need seal lubrication tho....)
-Prevents foaming
-Reduces cavitation and the corrosion that goes with
-reacts with hard water to reduce scale
Water Wetter - It is an additive product. Water Wetter is what is called a “surfactant.” What this means is that it reduces the surface tension of the water or in other words, it allows the water/fluid to “rub” closer to the metal allowing it to better draw off heat. Water Wetter works and it is good stuff.
The benefits of WaterWetter or Purple Ice are:
-Doubles the wetting ability of water
-Improves heat transfer
-Has the ability to reduces cylinder head temperatures
-Reduces rust, corrosion and electrolysis of all metals
-Provides long term corrosion protection
-Cleans and lubricates water pump seals (new waterpumps do not need seal lubrication tho....)
-Prevents foaming
-Reduces cavitation and the corrosion that goes with
-reacts with hard water to reduce scale
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All antifreeze/coolants contain sufficient surfactants. Adding more changes nothing.
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Here in Texas, lots of guys run a less than 50/50 mix in 1000HP machines as the coolant requirements are greater than antifreeze can provide.
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Engine cooling capacity is already good for our cars, so there is no need for any change there.
If you would push your engine to the max (i.e. racing where due to cars in front of yours limit airflow for instance), the tiny difference water wetter could make will not save your day imho, then it’s better to consider these options:
- NPG+ (or similar)
- More powerful fans
- Aerodynamic changes to allow more airflow over the radiators
- Larger radiator but that would also require more powerful fans to pull (or push) more air thru.
Just my 2 cents.
If you would push your engine to the max (i.e. racing where due to cars in front of yours limit airflow for instance), the tiny difference water wetter could make will not save your day imho, then it’s better to consider these options:
- NPG+ (or similar)
- More powerful fans
- Aerodynamic changes to allow more airflow over the radiators
- Larger radiator but that would also require more powerful fans to pull (or push) more air thru.
Just my 2 cents.
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water wetter......its a hydrophobic oil, meaning a long chain of molecules which repels water. its entire purpose is to inhibit water's ability to form hydrogen bonds with anything at all, including itself when placed in a moving solution. what it does on the molecular level is coat the inside of your system and prevent water from contact with the metals. if you use it for long enough, you will notice that when dried, every component in your system will form an interesting non-ionic white film. it does not adhere to the metals, rather it flees the water to the easiest place it can in a closed loop system, the walls of the tubing, blocks, fittings, etc.
The reason it is beneficial for cooling is it decreases the surface tension of water and allows for much higher flowrates. most importantly though it increases the flowrate at the edge of the tube. its well known that the flow rate in an enclosed system utilizing water in any form of solution is highest in the center of that system and approaches zero at the edge partly because of water's surface tension and partly because of the varying pressure through the tube. as aforementioned, water wetter will reduce the attraction of water to the metals in your blocks/radiator, and will therefore acheive a much higher flowrate at the edge of the system where the heat transfer occurs. W Q = mCp(deltaT) so a higher flowrate is better.
Yes yes yes, new antifreeze has the same components in it, but like most things thes components wear out and a quick shot of WW or RP will boost it up again.
The reason it is beneficial for cooling is it decreases the surface tension of water and allows for much higher flowrates. most importantly though it increases the flowrate at the edge of the tube. its well known that the flow rate in an enclosed system utilizing water in any form of solution is highest in the center of that system and approaches zero at the edge partly because of water's surface tension and partly because of the varying pressure through the tube. as aforementioned, water wetter will reduce the attraction of water to the metals in your blocks/radiator, and will therefore acheive a much higher flowrate at the edge of the system where the heat transfer occurs. W Q = mCp(deltaT) so a higher flowrate is better.
Yes yes yes, new antifreeze has the same components in it, but like most things thes components wear out and a quick shot of WW or RP will boost it up again.
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