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Old May 31, 2018 | 03:58 AM
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../.. However, since this is a weekend car, is leased (even though I may decide to buy out the contract at the end), and will likely not see even 8K miles prior to it's annual due date, do I simply....
Wait until it is closer to it's annual service to have it changed or how soon would a dealer be willing to perform that "annual" service? August perhaps or maybe September? In either of those cases, it will probably still have less
that 7K miles on it so the mileage is not going to be a factor as it's not going to have excessive miles on it even by then. In other words... Is there really a reason to spend $250 to change my oil @ 5K miles vs. simply waiting until
September to have the oil changed on JLRs dime with approximately 7,500 mile mark?
Simple : you make an appointment about two weeks before you store the car for winter. Remark with the garage its the 'annual free service' and they 'have to change the oil and filter as its in for winter storage'...
The dealer can not charge you if you do this once every year. Make sure you have some slack in case parts have to be ordered, discovered during the service. After this do not drive it for too many miles.
Preferably store it in a heated place. If not possible, the last drive before storage : take the oil filler cap off and leave the engine evaporate any water, for about one hour. Less if its cold. You can do this in your
garage where you store the car. But leave the garage door open and be carefull not to breathe in the fumes as they are toxic.

Make sure you put the oil filler cap back on. If you forget the asperation system of the engine is off. Some sensors might not work as they should.
 

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Old May 31, 2018 | 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ndabunka
Correct, my point is not related to guidance in the book.
As has been stated here the dealership isn't going to pay for a "break in" oil change and JLR does NOT "recommend" changing the oil after "break in" but rather to wait for as long as 15K miles prior to performing an oil change. Others on here have pointed out that is "just fine" for various reasons. I am also not interested in arguing pros or cons on those discussions. I get it. if I want it changed before the annual service, that would be on me.

However, since this is a weekend car, is leased (even though I may decide to buy out the contract at the end), and will likely not see even 8K miles prior to it's annual due date, do I simply....

Wait until it is closer to it's annual service to have it changed or how soon would a dealer be willing to perform that "annual" service? August perhaps or maybe September? In either of those cases, it will probably still have less that 7K miles on it so the mileage is not going to be a factor as it's not going to have excessive miles on it even by then. In other words... Is there really a reason to spend $250 to change my oil @ 5K miles vs. simply waiting until September to have the oil changed on JLRs dime with approximately 7,500 mile mark?
In my case the dealer informed me that the free service was done within 30 days (one way or another) of the 1st sale anniversary date.
 
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Old May 31, 2018 | 04:46 AM
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Dealer will perform mine 1 month earlier unless it's convenient for them to do it as part of another service, they might stretch it to two months early. Essentially what Lance said. Because dealer picks up my car and gives a loaner if I'm having service close to the plus or minus 30 days they do the oil. They ask first though.
 
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Old May 31, 2018 | 05:20 AM
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Subsequent owners of your cars will thank you in many years time when they derive the benefit in engine longevity from the thought, care and attention you have all given to the early oil and filter changes.

Interesting to see that, across the current model forums, F-Type owners are the most technically aware and mechanically sympathetic to their vehicles.

At the other end of the age range (I'm ignoring E-Types and other high value classics), XK8/XKR owners with Jaguars now ranging from 12 to 22 years old demonstrate a similar attitude.

Fastidiousness must be a 2-Door phenomenon.

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Old May 31, 2018 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan_NL
Simple : you make an appointment about two weeks before you store the car for winter. Remark with the garage its the 'annual free service' and they 'have to change the oil and filter as its in for winter storage'...
The dealer can not charge you if you do this once every year. Make sure you have some slack in case parts have to be ordered, discovered during the service. After this do not drive it for too many miles.
Preferably store it in a heated place. If not possible, the last drive before storage : take the oil filler cap off and leave the engine evaporate any water, for about one hour. Less if its cold. You can do this in your
garage where you store the car. But leave the garage door open and be carefull not to breathe in the fumes as they are toxic.

Make sure you put the oil filler cap back on. If you forget the asperation system of the engine is off. Some sensors might not work as they should.
Thanks for the guidance based on your region but there is no need to store a car for winter here as it only snows here once a year and that white stuff typically only stays on the ground for about 2 to 3 days before melting. Although it does get below freezing in this area and there is snow skiing about 2 hours away in the mountains, people typically play golf year-round here. It's always in a garage where the temperature never gets below freezing. See below for a pic from the one day this past year.

Based on the other replies here it looks like 30 days prior to the sale anniversary seems to be the standard so that would put mine earliest likely service at October 11th. Looks like I have a decision to make based on miles up to that point. Thanks all for the sage guidance.
 
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Old May 31, 2018 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by GGG
Subsequent owners of your cars will thank you in many years time when they derive the benefit in engine longevity from the thought, care and attention you have all given to the early oil and filter changes.
It's a shame that Jaguar Corporate themselves do not feel these oil changes are of such value as they don't recommend nor cover them as other companies might.
 
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Old May 31, 2018 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ndabunka
It's a shame that Jaguar Corporate themselves do not feel these oil changes are of such value as they don't recommend nor cover them as other companies might.
I agree.

The resulting goodwill far exceeds the cost to the dealer or the manufacturer. A happy customer is likely to become a returning customer.

Jaguar have spent $millions to lose the reputation for poor build quality and unreliability from the 1970's and 80's. It's all well and good having bean counters but it's no good if they don't know which are the right beans to count.

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Old May 31, 2018 | 12:12 PM
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I sympathize with Jaguar's predicament. They have been called upon a no-win task. Like Ferrari, the small, low-volume manufacturer, to design and supply a leading-edge world-class high performance engine for enthusiasts. Which they pulled off. If this 5 liter had been from Ferrari/Maserati/ Aston- even Audi/Lamborghini, or BMW- back in 2009, they would be singing its praises as a performance marvel. But unlike Ferrari, this is not being sold primarily to enthusiasts who ubiquitously appreciate the maintenance regiments of an enthusiast's sports car. If Ferrari or Porsche calls for a $5k annual service, folks ask whats the best place to do it, should it be done biannually. Jaguars are unfortunately being primarily sold to those who do not have an enthusiast's mindset, many see it as they would a BMW or Lexus.
 
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Old May 31, 2018 | 02:13 PM
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With all due respect, Queen and Country, I believe you are conflating cost with value and/or necessity. I have no problem paying for a necessary service, or even one that I think may be beneficial in the long run, but I have no particular desire to pay an arm and a leg for something just because it has a luxury brand associated with it. As an example, I chose to have the first year service on my 2015 Ghibli done on its birthday rather than a year from when I took delivery, but the $547.xx charge for eight quarts of oil, one oil filter and one cabin filter was excessive by any measure in my estimation. The car was only in my hands for eight months and had but 6130 miles on the odometer. What could the Maserati tech possibly have done to a warrant such an exorbitant charge? I performed the second year service myself with oil and filter ordered via the internet and had the dealer reset the service internal. Including the $35.00 reset fee, the total was less than a hundred dollars.
Also, to lump most of us Jaguar owners in the non-enthusiast category also seems a bit of an overreach, if not actually a little on the snobbish side. This 2018 Fuji white F-Type coupe is my fourth Jaguar and I've been enthusiastic about all of them--the two Masteratis (that is first and last wrapped up as one), not so much.
I've only had this Jag since the 25th of April, but I've already enjoyed it more in that short time I enjoyed the Ghibli in 2 1/2 years.
 
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Old May 31, 2018 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by fujicouple
I have no particular desire to pay an arm and a leg for something just because it has a luxury brand associated with it. What could the Maserati tech possibly have done to a warrant such an exorbitant charge?
Thank you for picking an easy example to answer.

(BTW: When I owned a Maserati in the 80's what we would have given just to have a dealership withing 4 states of travel)

Assume that Maserati sold a grand total of 5000 of the Ferrari engined cars in mainland USA- or 100 per State. Imagine they wanted to offer 2 (jiffy Lube style) oil change service stations for Maserati in every state. That would be cost prohibitive- so they would have to approach an oil service station that was spiffy enough for the brand and several notches above a Jiffy Lube. Each one of these places would effectively be promised 50 customers per year. However, they would need to invest $200k in the requisite Maserati training and computer so that they could do what Maserati recommends in terms of checking other parameters of the car.

So that effectively means that it would cost that service center $4000 per Maserati customer even before they got their oil changed. Or the question could be posed: how does one amortize $200k over 50 customers who want engines that never need any service- they want boutique engines, highly specialized oil (as in the case of Jaguar) and beautiful clean high overhead buildings that are becoming of the brand.

Moreover if 25 out of those 50 go to any *****-nilly oil service place and mechanic, that cost per customer that needs to be amortized just became $8000. You see the challenge.

Naturally these are just overly-simplistic overhead costs, it gets worse when you consider its not going to be easy to retain a Jaguar mechanic for under $120K a year all in.
 
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Old May 31, 2018 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Queen and Country
I sympathize with Jaguar's predicament. They have been called upon a no-win task. Like Ferrari, the small, low-volume manufacturer, to design and supply a leading-edge world-class high performance engine for enthusiasts. Which they pulled off. If this 5 liter had been from Ferrari/Maserati/ Aston- even Audi/Lamborghini, or BMW- back in 2009, they would be singing its praises as a performance marvel. But unlike Ferrari, this is not being sold primarily to enthusiasts who ubiquitously appreciate the maintenance regiments of an enthusiast's sports car. If Ferrari or Porsche calls for a $5k annual service, folks ask whats the best place to do it, should it be done biannually. Jaguars are unfortunately being primarily sold to those who do not have an enthusiast's mindset, many see it as they would a BMW or Lexus.
Luckily Jags are FAR more like the BMW, Lexus and the Mercedes these days which is THE thing that may just keep them around a bit longer. Even Porsche (mostly) learned their lesson on the Sky-High services on their boxsters. People who had paid $45K for a car were NOT happy with a $800 (or whatever it was) service to drop the engine simply to change the oil.

Yes, newer tech means fewer oil changes. Newer tech also means that $1,200 services aren't necessarily so no, an expensive service does NOT equate to quality work worthy of the price tag. The SOLE reason Ferrari and others can charge SO MUCH is not because it's necessary, rather it is BECAUSE THEY CAN... due to their clientele. I have always thought that a great "retirement gig" would be to become completely certified by these big boys and then perform the services for a $50/hour flat rate for ONLY the time required rather than by an unilateral book authored simply to generate income. Do what you love and not giving a F about the money...LOL
 
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Old May 31, 2018 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ndabunka
Luckily Jags are FAR more like the BMW, Lexus
You will love that this Jaguar direct injection engine is far superior to its counterpart from BMW and Toyota, BMW design was plagued with carbon buildup issues. Toyota abandoned pure direct injection effectively, also due to mechanical problems. Both companies had to completely revise their oil change schedules. No such thing with Jaguar, they did slightly change the viscosity, nothing else and no problems.
Note Audi v10 was also a disaster in this arena.
 
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Old May 31, 2018 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ndabunka
Not concerned about going "over" the 12 months. I am more interested in knowing the SOONEST I can ask the dealership to perform the oil change. Thus car was originally built in February of 2016 and sat on a dealer's lot until I purchased is in November of 2017 when it had 18 miles on it. I am now approaching 5K miles and would PREFER to have the oil changed... well NOW if I can... and ask them to do that under the "free" 1st year service. Just wondering if making this request for service in June or July is reasonable if JLR didn't "punch it's sales ticket" until November of '17 would be viable

I too purchased a 2016 model year in (July) 2017 (200 miles). The car was originally put into service in late 2015. This was a certified car even though it was never "pre-owned" as the dealer just wanted make it more appealing to get it off his lot.
As per the CPO document, the dealer changed the oil initially in April 2017, so my annual service was this April and had 4k miles on the clock. The trick is the other service items - namely brake fluid change at 3 years which for me is later this year based on "in service" date. I asked the dealer if he could do brake fluid service when he did the annual oil change and he said Jaguar would not reimburse them until the 3 year mark so I'd have to wait. He offered to move it up 60 days to his reimbursement window, but if I have to bring it back it defeats the purpose so I'll be returning in 6 months to get brake fluid done.... and then 4 months later for the annual service.... such is the price for a 28% discount off list.

.... and yes apparently I am too cheap to just pay for the brake fluid flush as opposed to bringing it back.
 

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