any way to disable spoiler on ftype?
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While I stand behind my speeding concerns, after further consideration, what really gets to me regarding the spoiler is that it smacks of trying too hard to be cool. The F Type already has coolness by the bucketload. It is the most beautiful new car on the road today, combined with excellent performance. It doesn't need a pop up spoiler, (which ruins its gorgeous lines), to be cool, and it certainly doesn't need one to stay on any road short of a racecourse. After all, my neighbor's Prius can cruise comfortably at 80 mph on any highway in the U.S. without the benefit of any aerodynamic aids.
This wing is not installed for your coolness whatever that is but to maintain the lines of the car for most of the time and deploy the wing when you need the extra downforce/reduced lift. They did not design the car with the US market in mind where the car is driven 99% of the time at some 1,700rpm cruising.[/QUOTE]
If you are going to track the car, you should be able to activate the spoiler at that time.
Regarding spinning the tires, I assure you that switching to Pilot Super Sports will solve the problem better than any sized spoiler could.
I thought the purpose of this forum was to answer questions, share experiences, and to help each other maximize our enjoyment of these wonderful automobiles, not to pass judgement on the priorities of people we don't even know.
Regarding spinning the tires, I assure you that switching to Pilot Super Sports will solve the problem better than any sized spoiler could.
I thought the purpose of this forum was to answer questions, share experiences, and to help each other maximize our enjoyment of these wonderful automobiles, not to pass judgement on the priorities of people we don't even know.
The arguments are either cosmetic "I don't like the looks of it" - it was not designed as a cosmetic feature but as a necessity because of the speeds the car is capable of, they made it retractable so it looks cleaner most of the time. Looking at other Jaguar models including my XKRS I am sure a fixed wing model is coming like the XFR-S etc. Or about the chance of getting a ticket. Again there are retractable spoilers out there for decades. In the US unlike say in Germany it is the LEOs "word" that gets you a ticket. In Germany they have to have a photo of you (license plate and driver visible) and the radar speed, time stamp etc to give you a citation. Here the cop has a hand held radar detector or follows you or just guestimates what you are doing and writes you up. Then it is your word against theirs in court. There is never any proof by the LEO provided in court, his information comes from his notepad not from the radar gun. I got tickets here in traffic with a car in front and behind of me going the same speed, not switching lanes. He did not stop the car in front or behind of me because I was in the sports car. It is completely subjective how you get a ticket here. About as scientific as using chains in football when you are 4th and inches with the starting point and end point being subjectively decided by the referee and a football that is a foot long itself. So you are going over the speed limit in a flashy, noisy sports car and you worry you get a ticket because the wing is up????
I would peruse the Porsche boards to see if anybody ever got a ticket because of a deployed spoiler before making this point. I had three prior Porsches here in the US and a handful of them in Germany and I have never received a ticket because of the spoiler nor do I know anybody who has. Porsche has a auto deploy spoiler in the model lineup since the late 80s.
We are all hard headed and oppiniated. My opinion is not worse than somebody saying I do not need a wing at 70mph. A Prius by the way has a clear rear spoiler lip and is at the forfront of aerodynamic design. It does not provide reduced lift or downforce but a sharp edge to reduce drag.
Jaguar builds the "standard/clean" models first and comes with the fixed wing and added aero pieces later like the XKR-S GT. The Fixed wing will come. Feel free to change your trunk lid for a fixed wing.
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Oh my, I had no intention of eliciting such a caustic response.
Please allow me to clarify.
You said "nobody gets pulled over on route 50 for going 75 mph."
What you meant to say was that nobody gets pulled over for doing 75 in a 65 mph zone.
While I agree with that, it's not what you said, so I called you on it.
You also said, and I'm paraphrasing here, is that Americans can't drive fast, and don't drive fast on public highways. We apparently don't even drive fast on the race tracks - the straights are too short, and are all followed by low-speed turns. I guess you've never been to VIR, COTA, Sebring or Road America, but I'll let that slide.
it seems like you've done an excellent job of validating my point - we don't need the pop-up rear spoiler in America.
You did however do an excellent job of validating the need for one on the autobahn.
As soon as they build one on the east coast of the US, I'll be the first to reactivate mine. I never said, or even implied, that nobody needs one - I said Americans don't need one.
You said that Jaguar won't allow us to do it for liability reasons. ( which is what I suggested in my original post ). If I do it myself, those liability concerns disappear. Just as if I knowingly and willingly disable my airbags, I cannot sue for their lack of deployment in an accident. Judging by your willingness to put words in my mouth, let me make it clear that I do not advocate disabling airbags - just using it as an example.
I have in fact completed in flying miles, achieving a trap speed of 202 mph. Shockingly, it was in a car without a rear spoiler, just a one inch Gurney flap. if I decide to try it in the Jaguar, the rear spoiler will be deactivated - i'll probably pick up 3 to 5 mph without it.
As for getting a ticket because the spoiler is deployed, well, I never said that either. My point was, A. I'm driving a high performance car. B. I'm speeding. C. Do I really need a visual conformation of that speeding, especially if it's unnecessary? I think not. Your point as to the relative randomness with which police issue tickets supports my contention, rather than refutes it.
Thanks for cluing me in on the aerodynamic magnificence of a Toyota Prius. Let me provide another example - my grandpa's 1970 Ford LTD country Squire station wagon will happily traverse any highway in America at 80 MPH, with nothing but me as a twelve-year-old kid holding my hand out the window providing additional downforce.
Finally, the topic of this post is how to disable the rear spoiler - not whether or not it should be done. As far as I can tell, you have provided zero useful information.
If you like, I will start a new thread entitled "The relative merits, or lack there of, of disabling the rear spoiler", in which you can post till your heart's content. Until then, well, I'm sure you get the implication.
Please allow me to clarify.
You said "nobody gets pulled over on route 50 for going 75 mph."
What you meant to say was that nobody gets pulled over for doing 75 in a 65 mph zone.
While I agree with that, it's not what you said, so I called you on it.
You also said, and I'm paraphrasing here, is that Americans can't drive fast, and don't drive fast on public highways. We apparently don't even drive fast on the race tracks - the straights are too short, and are all followed by low-speed turns. I guess you've never been to VIR, COTA, Sebring or Road America, but I'll let that slide.
it seems like you've done an excellent job of validating my point - we don't need the pop-up rear spoiler in America.
You did however do an excellent job of validating the need for one on the autobahn.
As soon as they build one on the east coast of the US, I'll be the first to reactivate mine. I never said, or even implied, that nobody needs one - I said Americans don't need one.
You said that Jaguar won't allow us to do it for liability reasons. ( which is what I suggested in my original post ). If I do it myself, those liability concerns disappear. Just as if I knowingly and willingly disable my airbags, I cannot sue for their lack of deployment in an accident. Judging by your willingness to put words in my mouth, let me make it clear that I do not advocate disabling airbags - just using it as an example.
I have in fact completed in flying miles, achieving a trap speed of 202 mph. Shockingly, it was in a car without a rear spoiler, just a one inch Gurney flap. if I decide to try it in the Jaguar, the rear spoiler will be deactivated - i'll probably pick up 3 to 5 mph without it.
As for getting a ticket because the spoiler is deployed, well, I never said that either. My point was, A. I'm driving a high performance car. B. I'm speeding. C. Do I really need a visual conformation of that speeding, especially if it's unnecessary? I think not. Your point as to the relative randomness with which police issue tickets supports my contention, rather than refutes it.
Thanks for cluing me in on the aerodynamic magnificence of a Toyota Prius. Let me provide another example - my grandpa's 1970 Ford LTD country Squire station wagon will happily traverse any highway in America at 80 MPH, with nothing but me as a twelve-year-old kid holding my hand out the window providing additional downforce.
Finally, the topic of this post is how to disable the rear spoiler - not whether or not it should be done. As far as I can tell, you have provided zero useful information.
If you like, I will start a new thread entitled "The relative merits, or lack there of, of disabling the rear spoiler", in which you can post till your heart's content. Until then, well, I'm sure you get the implication.
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Too funny!
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however you might find that it doesn't take much over the limit to
see the effect of not having it. especially in bad weather or crosswinds.
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If anyone is truly interested, the F-Type has a spoiler. It spoils the laminar flow across the top of the car which creates lift (hence the spoiler reduces lift). The F-Type does not have a wing (some cars do) with the profile of an upside down airplane wing that causes negative lift (downforce). For further explanation, please have a chat with Mr. Bernoulli.
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Pardon my ignorance, but can't tell from your picture which of the half dozen wires you disconnected. Could I ask that you circle or highlight the wire and repost the pic?