https://carbuzz.com/most-reliable-mo...jaguar-f-type/

 

The article starts with a false premise - that the F-Type has never been a reliable car. As we owners know only too well, they're at least as reliable as any other car out there - mine's never let me down, in the same way that my previous 3 Jaaaags never let me down. The Japanese car I kept as a backup when I bought my first Jag has done hardly any miles since then - it's slowly rotting away through lack of use. I reckon that most reports of unreliability are from people who probably haven't even been in one, never mind owned one. Sure, some go wrong, as does any make, but IME if you keep on top of the maintenance and don't neglect things, they're perfecly reliable. All you have to pay for apart from routine servicing is fuel and tyres.

 

Someone corrected things a bit....

 

Another BS online car article by someone who clearly doesn't know the car he's writing about and didn't bother making any decent research. And the stats he bases the article on are just useless. Someone reported that some 2015 F-Type fishtailed so the 2015 is the most unreliable model year? Just ignore this article.

 

Not a bad article compared to most junk I've seen online regarding the F-type reliability as, at least, it includes some interesting data that I had not seen before although I'm not sure how useful it actually is. As SCM put it, negative thoughts on the F-type are not generally rooted in first-hand experience. That's certainly the case with the manual transmission car, for instance.

I had an Audi TT before buying the F-type and throughout my almost 4 year ownership, I spent around £1,000/year on average in maintenance which is close to the annual expenditure the article projects Jag will command over 10 years. Could anyone confirm or deny?

 

Nearly new Silverado pickup had rear wheel cylinder leak, replaced under warranty.

2018 Corvette with 11,000 miles had burned out dash LED lights/gauge.. part of the instrument cluster went dark. Original quote was $800 ( outside of 3 year warranty), but was for some reason only $300 when we got it back.

I think most days it's a craps shoot with a car. Maybe you get a really good one. My 2008 Golf/Rabbit had dealer recalls on some of its electronics. No other issues, but after I traded it in, the ignition switch had a hissy fit for the new owner and the car died. Dealer stood behind sale and fixed it.
2013 Golf, 83,000 miles, no worries. Maintenance items like MAP sensor, PCV, brakes, coolant lines, tires. Gonna keep that one!
2017 F. Major leap of faith at purchase in 2020, but has been reliable. OE battery gave it up but was replaced under warranty. Visual checks regularly done on all fluid levels. Gauges and messages are OK, but prefer to see those levels.

 

Really wish the F-type came with an old-fashioned dipstick. Never had a car before that didn't come with one and the electronic level is not great. Besides, every oil change video people shows it displaying the oil at maximum level. The message reads Oil Level OK but I've always been told that maximum with the engine warm not hot means there's too much oil already. Again, an analogue method would be more straightforward.

 

Yet another in an an unending stream of bad automobile articles written by folks wihtout much interest or actual knowledge. Honestly, you can spot many signs that articles like this may have started with AI generated text, then got "edited" to final form. Writing standards have declined preceptiously the last several decades, accelerating in the internet era. Seriously, go back and read Motor Trend from the 60s. Far, far better writing and info. And by authors that had some passion and knowledge of their subjects.

 

You don't think Jaguar engineers would have thought of that when they determined what was "full"?

 

One can only hope they did but even then, they could've set the bar to show oil ok at half or 3/4 not all the way until the top. It's much easier to overfill when you have such an erratic system and we've seen the damage over filling can produce.

I think it's just another case of unnecessary tech that resolves a problem that never existed.

 

The same "oli expansion when hot" applies equally to using a dipstick, of course.

 

I'm no automotive or fluid engineer, so can't say how much a given quantity of oil would expand when heated to driving/running temperatures.

This AI response was generated for this question, so believe it or not:

"When heated, car oil typically expands by a small percentage, around 1-2% of its volume, which is why it's crucial to check your oil level when the engine is cold to get an accurate reading as the hot oil will temporarily take up more space in the engine due to thermal expansion."

I would think the more important check would be when the car has cooled down, and depending on ambient temperature, that may be anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour. This would allow any oil in the galleys to return to the sump, where it is measured. The marks on dipsticked cars also expects that the oil has had a chance to drain down to the sump. I make sure the car is level and generally check it the next morning before startup. And yes, Jaguar doesn't always get EVERYTHING right, but I'm sure the engine designers had this one under control for as long as they've been building and racing engines.

 

Geez. My P300 has a dip stick. 2018

Spent half a day trying to check the electronic dash.

I am a guy. Never read the manual.

 

No one complains that there is no dipstick for fuel level, but I don't see any real difference there. For all the complaints about the electronic measurement, I don't recall seeing anywhere the reading was incorrect. Some didn't like what they saw, but I don't think anyone ever said it was wrong.

What damage? A few have screamed bloody murder at overfilled engines, but what actual damage has been reported? Until the oil level goes past the windage tray I don't think anything bad is going to happen.

The problem that existed is one that doesn't bother anyone complaining about lack of a dipstick. That's the problem of opening the hood and getting your hands dirty. People worried about that never checked their oil anyway. It has created a problem though, and that is that some do not trust the gauge. Back to the fuel gauge comparison: The gauge seems to move slowly closer to empty than full, but we get used to that. The owner's manual says that if the level is low it will tell you how much to add. If the the underfilled message shows, it calls for adding 1.5 liters and checking again. "A quart low" on my first car meant that it was 75% of full (four quart capacity). Capacity on these is much greater.

 

Hey, I just wanted an excuse to pop that lovely hood up at the petrol station, ok? 😉 No "drive, stop, wait 10 minutes to get an average read" complication. And, if the P300 has got one, why couldn't we?

I think the fuel gauge is not the best comparison as it gives you real-time measurements which we don't get with the F-type for oil level. I'd be happy to swap that electronic level reading for an oil temperature reading instead. It's crazy that my 2008 TT had it and the F-type doesn't.

As for overfill damages, you can look it up on YouTube. Here's one example

 

Agreed. The Ingenium engine does have a dipstick, but all models should have one, even as a “back-up”.

 

I've seen that video. I find his teardowns interesting and wanted to see how my engine is put together. That, however, is such an egregious case that I'm not including it. The complaints here are for RWD quantities put into AWD cars, so less than a quart, not the "nearly double" in the video.

 

Not an isolated case though. This is another one. It's a great series

 

I don't see any reference to that being caused by overfilling the oil, or are you just talking about failures in general? In the first episode he notes the oil looks "fine" but I don't agree. It looks pretty bad. My guess was that they bought an abused and neglected car and the previous owner knew something was not right. The rod journals had been cooking for a while, it seems to me. I have watched three of the episodes, but am not particularly inclined to watch them all at this point. If there are ones I should watch, I'm open to suggestion.

 

I wouldn't mind having a dipstick as a backup solution but never saw the need of one in these cars. I've owned different Jags for over a decade now, none of them had a dipstick and there was never an occasion when I wished I had a dipstick. Never needed to top up oil between services either. I don't mind getting my hands dirty and am pretty OCD about the condition of my cars but when it comes to the oil level I just expect the car to tell me in the unlikely event of something being wrong. I just don't get the point of manually checking the oil level of a healthy modern car in this day and age.

That said, did anyone ever have any issues with the oil level in their F-Type? The only cases I can think of are clueless dealers overfilling AWD cars by using the RWD oil amount when changing the oil but then the car tells you that it's overfilled.