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I have the same color combo on my coup here is S.W. Fla. With the almost constant sun, there is seldom any mistaking it for black. I do get constant positive comments on the color and the interior. I sometimes wish I had gone with a lighter interior, but as this is a driver, not really.
THANK YOU... a scholar and gent you are! I've got to *Assume* that is camel, and not siena tan, right? It's very similar to my current full camel seats.
It's so funny... this is why I am not a pioneer of things. I think I joked about that before, but to be the 1st person on the planet experimenting with BRG+Beige droptop+brand new siena tan performance seats is an itchy thing for me. =) LOL
But life is about risk-benefit reward ratios! =)
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Last edited by Uncle Fishbits; Oct 4, 2018 at 11:09 AM.
In the manual, Fishbits, I do believe it is referred as camel. As one of 25% of males, I am color-blind, that's why I qualified my "I believe." Happily my bride has color responsibility in our home, and she helped me choose this combination at the original purch. Let us know at what point you are in your new replacement ordering.
The order is in the queue, with an option for final changes, etc. Lots of updates means some options are rooted to other options, and there will be after-build changes like the proper flat bottom steering wheel fitted after the fact, etc. But it should be good, and wife thinks the darker tan leather look will be fine, so I am good to go for now. LOL
Might be, might be not what you were after, but possibly close enough Might be, might be not
You are a scholar and gentleman. It looks fantastic. It is orangey-er, for sure. But it doesn't set off a clash with the top. Yay. I wonder if my black pack will include the chrome on the headrest of the seats, or not. Prolly not, but surely I am excited. =)
But it seems obvious that BRG has had 100's of colors, and I went on a mission to find just how many variations exist. I could not answer that question... but I could get a history of the color from a technical point of view: British Racing Green color - Arteqo Consulting
"British Racing Green -- A History and Formulation discussion
Ray Feeney, California, USA
I have spent the last six months gathering a fair amount of information on British Racing Green from a variety of sources and I thought I should summarize it here for the benefit of all. I do have quite a bit more information if anyone feels that they want some of the more obscure mythology.
First, it is well documented that BRG is a range of colors – both for aesthetic reasons and because it visually varies significantly with small changes of formulation. Before the advent of repeatable paint mixing methodologies and more stringent controls on factory colors, the variations often occurred within the same brand and automotive model. In addition, painting techniques and base/pigment choices have evolved or become obsolete. Lead based pigments are no longer an option – therefore formulations exist for many of the variants, but the ingredients do not.
My painter uses PPG paints exclusively and prefers the DCC single stage Acrylic Urethane. Specifically PPG Deltron Concept 2K Urethane so all of these formulations listed here are for one quart quantities of PPG DCC. And I should acknowledge the help of the people in the Color Science Lab at PPG for their responsiveness as I went through this lengthy exercise.
I started off by gathering samples of BRG painted metal items and by accumulating as much of the history as I could gather. I had the computer system read about 15 metal samples (the underside of boot lids seemed the best candidates) and then I selected a few formulations and had these mixed up for testing. Once I had a candidate formulation, I had a sample sprayed onto a 6” x 9” primed metal sheet. These were then color sanded and waxed so that the entire process truly emulated the intended restoration approach. As I started changing the formulations, I learned a few things. Removing some of the black in the formulation, really gave a good insight into what kind of underlying green any particular approach to BRG was based on. When a percentage of the black is removed from the typical GN25 MG green formulation it shifts towards a very earthy muddy look -- trending towards a military type green. Perhaps there is something to the apocryphal story that after WWII the motor vehicle industry in England was well stocked with ingredients for military green paint formulations and that black was added to create a new family of colors that became known as British Racing Green.
In addition to using the computer paint system to read (and attempt to understand) the colorimetry of surviving period painted automobiles, I gathered information about what people have been using for BRG on the typical bulletin boards and forums. While there have been many different approaches used to pick a BRG for individual projects, there do seem to be a couple of trends. Mike Goodman (who recently retired after almost 50 years of MG repairs and restorations) painted many MGTC and MGTD cars in a BRG formulation that was felt to be close to GN25. This PPG code was 44644 (which is called Cypress Green) and it was a Volvo P1800 sports car color with a Volvo color code of 110. Later on, the PPG code for MG GN25 (which was 43342) was switched to the same pigments and sometimes the exact same formulation is used. If one requests the formulations for 43342 and/or for 44644 from PPG you are never quite sure what you will get -- but they can both result in:
DMC900 Strong White 88.6
DMC936 Blue Shade Phthalo Green 668.0
DMC902 Carbon Black 217.5
DMC905 Lemon Chrome Yellow 172.1
Unfortunately, DMC905 is a lead based pigment and is no longer available (at least in California). This above formula is what Mike Goodman used for years. To my eye, it is a very slight bit too yellow green and not quite dark enough.
The other most common BRG formulation is Jaguar HEN or Jaguar color code 701. (Used on 1987-1990 Jaguars) This is PPG color code 46169 and results in a formulation:
DMC937 Green 605.1
DMC901 Strong Black 341.5
DMC908 Yellow 115.7
DMC904 Blue 31.4
DMC900 Strong White 24.9
This is a very dark BRG with a strong blueish tint. It can require a second look to not think it is black – particularly if it is not in direct sunlight. This is a true Jaguar color and quite popular on XKE’s and on XK120 and XK140 cars. To my eye, on cars like an Austin Healey or an MGA it looks too dark.
In 1991 Mazda built a commemorative edition of the Miata and it was painted British Racing Green. It is Mazda paint code HU. Since it is a more recent automobile, the color formulation is available from many manufacturers. The PPG code is 47037 (called Neo Green) and the DCC formulation is:
DMC937 Green 671.2
DMC901 Strong Black 396.9
DMC900 Strong White 41.4
DMC919 Yellow 5.7
DMC918 Yellow 1.0
This is a gorgeous dark BRG and it looks great on more modern British sports cars. For instance, I believe it is the best choice for a British Racing Green colored Jensen Healey. (Be careful not to end up with the 2001 special edition Mazda Miata British Racing Green. The 2001 version is a modern metallic color and not appropriate for anything.)
One thing to notice is that the more commonly chosen BRG formulations listed above have either four or five pigment tints used in their formulas. It appears that with BRG this is critical. When I used the computer to “match” the period painted samples of BRG that I had collected, I often got a suggested formulation with 12 or more tint ingredients. The color may have come out a match, but the paint was dull and lifeless with no kick. I gave up on the computer system and set about adapting the PPG codes 44644 and 43342 into a modern lead free formulation. In the course of all this testing, we mixed up 19 different formulations. Each was mixed with the hardeners, sprayed, sanded, waxed and evaluated.
A few observations. BRG covers a very subtle range of acceptability. It is easy for the colors to get muddy, lifeless and drift towards military olive drab. It is easy for them to slide into a blue black that is almost not a green at all except under very direct sunlight. All of these colors are attempting to emulate obsolete formulations that are in turn revised as the laws governing paint continue to change. The revised formulas that target the BMC and British Leyland colors tend to go too yellow or they go dull. The revised Jaguar type colors tend to go too blue.
After about the 10th sample, probably most people would just say “Pick something”. I am sure that is what my local paint store felt. But I work in the motion picture industry adjusting subtle color for a living. This became a personal challenge and a goal to sort through. I now have a formulation that I am happy with. It is not quite as light as the color Mike Goodman used but I think it is more correct. In bright sunlight the color shifts from a green with hints of yellow to a green/blue depending on the angle of the sun. With the painted object between the viewer and the sun, it is very green with some earth yellow but with the sun at your back, it is quite dark and somewhat blue. I think it does everything that British Racing Green is supposed to do. The PPG DCC formulation is:
DMC900 Strong White 54
DMC936 Blue Shade Phthalo Green 700
DMC902 Carbon Black 170
DMC986 Organic Yellow 170
DMC919 Inorganic Yellow 35
I think an MGA painted in this color would be gloriously stunning. I am currently doing an MGTD in this formulation. I would encourage anyone thinking of using British Racing Green on a MGTD, a MGA, or even an Austin Healey BJ8 3000 to mix up a quart of this and give it a try.
Ray Feeney"
Thanks for the BRG info. Sounds like you are the one to pose this question to. What is the current Jaguar SVO Brg#5 like?
I am about to order an F-type R coupe but am unsure of color. I have always wanted BRG but dont like the metallic. Is the SVO BRG the same, sans flakes? I mean is it as dark a green? I have tried repeatedly to get more info, such as a photo of a car in that color, from Jaguar USA but they direct me to their build option on their website. The also say my dealer should have samples but both nearby do not.
I think the SVO green would likely be nice but as it is a $4900 option I'd like to be a little more certain before I commit.
My 2016 has the same BRG with Camel/Ebony interior combination, but with the tan top ($500 option). I think it looks perfect. I have had it a month and love it. I did have to watch Autotrader though for about 4 months for it to show up in this configuration,
Your car is beautiful. I love the look of the coupe more but if I had decided on the convertible this would be the configuration. Is this the SVO BRG? Mine should arrive after Christmas. The dealer told me the special paint added a month or so to the build.
Mine is the standard BRG code 1AL. No extra charge. Top is actually called Beige code LSAL. $600.
This is confusing...the paint code is always a 3 letter code, and the code on my BRG is HGY - Greens always begin with H in the Jaguar paint code system.
This is confusing...the paint code is always a 3 letter code, and the code on my BRG is HGY - Greens always begin with H in the Jaguar paint code system.
HGY is the code for the Xyrallic paint offered MY14-'MY15 (I'm jealous), and the 1AL is regular metallic offered MY'16+.
HGY is the code for the Xyrallic paint offered MY14-'MY15 (I'm jealous), and the 1AL is regular metallic offered MY'16+.
HGY is indeed for the Xirallic formulation -which is spectacular - but the code you give for the current metallic colour follows an entirely different pattern, thus my confusion. Are all the current Jaguar paint codes a numeral plus two letters? Eliminating the initial letter (which always signified the base colour - reds, for example always had a 3-letter code beginning with C, greens with H...) seems less descriptive. What does the 1 indicate? Do all green tones now begin with this numeral?
