I was at Tampa yesterday and put my hands on the white with tan interior. I lost interest as soon as he opened the door as that’s not my preferred color combo. I didn’t even get as far as installed options to confirm it’s the same car but I can tell you it is new to them. Call Kitt in their sales department. I was supposed to stop by again tomorrow but am now stuck home waiting on appliance repair with a vague service window. Send me a PM, if I can help.

 

Hey Mellie, thanks a million. So that means the white one just arrived there. It should be fully loaded, but it'd be nice if somebody more familiar with Jags, like yourself, would check out the options. The blue/oyster is also fully loaded, but for some reason, some 2 grand more expensive. The only difference should be the paint, but maybe the white car is missing something. I remember them having full extended leather, 12-way heated and cooled seats, performance seats, Meridian Surround, Homelink, blind spot monitoring, etc. Now that I think of it, maybe the white one (or neither of them) doesn't have the power hatch, but hope it does. Or the illuminated Jaguar sills. Will check the options list again on both cars, and call Kitt tomorrow. Thank you very much for the heads up; greatly appreciated. If I end up buying one of those, I'd definitely contact you so you can go check it out for me (for a fee, of course), if you don't mind. I'm very particular with my vehicles, but live 2K miles away, and it's winter, so I wouldn't drive it back now... especially if the car has summer tires, which I believe they all do. I'd probably just send it home via enclosed transport.

Just hope to drive one before buying it, to make sure it doesn't ride too stiff. One reviewer of a '22 said the car was great, but that the ride was too 'bouncy', even in comfort mode. Maybe it had the tires too inflated, which is very common. Was test-driving cars with my daughter last week, and all of the 5 cars we test-drove had the tires over 38, when car called for 32 or 33. I could hear and feel every pebble and tar strip on the road, even from the passenger seat. So stupid for dealers not to check tire pressures first, as that can ruin a sale in short order. So yes, when I go test-drive one, will take my calibrated gauge and check them first.

EDIT: Just checked their website, and the white one is already there indeed, photos and everything. However, no freaking info like on Jaguar's website. And surprisingly, the white one doesn't show on their website now, which is weird. So cannot compare features. But I don't like the white wheels. Oh well. I'd get either one if discounted what I want, but don't want test-drive miles, which I'm sure the blue car has many more by now. By the way, does anybody know what kind of tires those cars have? I know they're the crap runflats, but are they ultra-high-performance A/Ss, or summer tires? Hope the former. But I'd replace them fairly quickly for regular tires, especially if summers. Need to check you can install regular tires on those wheels. Will ask Kitt for both window stickers tomorrow.

 

Run flats? Are you sure? I thought BMW was the only manufacturer who put those garbage tires on from factory and even then, heard that they don’t do that anymore. I’m due to learn something if Jag ever used them OEM on FTypes or any recent model.

Tampa car wheels are silver and black, not white.

 

Run-flats have never been standard on the F-type, even though there’s rarely a spare. The much-hated Pirelli P-Zero summer tire is the most common tire from the factory.

 

FWIW: My 2022 came with 255/35 front/295/30 rear ZR20 summer Pirellis and I've hated every Pirelli tire I've ever had the misfortune of having foisted upon me.
My 2018 had 18" Continentals and the ride was noticeably less stiff although I don't know if the difference is the diameter or the tires.
I will definitely replace the existing brand with Michelins or Continentals.

 

Correct. No runflats are installed. They're still all Pirelli P-Zeros.

 

Fuji White, and Caldera Red are the only no-cost color options on the '24 P450s. Bluefire Blue or Portofino Blue are $750.00 options. Exterior/interior black packs could be another difference. Things like wheel choice, painted calipers, first aid kit, wheel locks, all season mats--along with the color choice--could easily be $2K of the price difference.

 

Many still use that crap of tires, believe it or not. All C8s have those, and all LC500s as well, so assumed F-Types also did. But glad to hear F-Types don't. Thank you for those good news. But I'd have to replace the stock tires anyway, since I'd like to use the car year round, and summer tires are garbage in the cold. I'd use a good ultra-high-performance A/S tires, like the excellent Michelin Pilot A/S4s. And of course there are no white wheels on P450s. Ha ha. I meant I don't like the wheels on the white P450 RWD they just got... but I like the ones on the blue car. Those are the only 2 P450 RWDs there. Will call Kitt tomorrow, and report back.

EDIT: Hey guys, have a couple of technical questions that hope somebody has the answers to. First is if the 2024 engine has direct or port injection (or both). And the second if it has hydraulic valve lash adjusters, or has a solid valvetrain that requires valve lash inspections every 60K miles (or whenever). Thank you.

 

All F-Type V8 and V6 engines (ie the AJ133 and AJ126) are direct injection and direct injection only.
Regards the valvetrain, according to the Technical Training doc (link to a copy in my Dropbox below), quote: "Graded tappets enable adjustment of valve clearances. The intake side incorporates hydraulic lash adjusters..." so a bit of both.
The Technical Training doc came out in 2009 with the release of the AJ133 so it's a bit old now but very little about or in the engine has changed since, except that the NA version was discontinued in 2012 when the V6 replaced it (except for in the XK).
Here's the link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8y4iax9hm2...%20V8.pdf?dl=0

Edit - some more text from the doc about the valvetrain:
"The tappets for the intake and exhaust camshafts differ
from each other in their design and function. The
exhaust tappets are mechanical with an adjustable valve
clearance that is set using graded tappets. The intake
camshaft tappets are hydraulic, which compensates for
any wear – therefore the valve clearance is 0."

 

Very interesting info; thank you. I'll take me a while to sift thru it, but browsing the first dozen pages, came upon the 'symposer', so guess Jaguar is also doing what Porsche does, piping intake noise into the cabin. No word if there's an actuator what only does it under certain parameters, or what those parameters are. Any idea how it works? I want a quiet cabin when cruising, so might have to plug the darn thing, just like I did with my ex-Porsche. And it actually sounded better. I don't particularly like intake noise; I like the more subdued mechanical engine sound better, as well as a little of the exhaust note, but not intake.

And interesting that you have both mechanical and hydraulic valve actuators; first time I hear of that. So is there a maintenance valve clearance check in the manual somewhere? Just curious about that. Thank you again for that great article. Wonder if any important changes were made along the way to 2024.

 

I remember reading a thread a few years back where someone (I think lizzardo) documented defeating the symposer. It's pretty basic and pipes sound in all the time.

 

The symposer is different in the 2021+ cars; it's now electronic (like many manufacturers) and to the best of my knowledge no one has figured out if/how you can defeat it (as opposed to the relatively easy surgery to remove the pre-2021 symposer).

 

On the Porsche is relatively easy to just plug them (it has TWO), once you remove the radiators and put them aside. If you want to remove them, it'd be a lot harder. But I'd just just plug it on the Jag too, which is fully (and easily) reversible. But I'd have to drive the car first, and if only comes on in sport mode and heavy throttle, for example, I wouldn't have an issue. But if the darn drone is there all the time, I'd absolutely have an issue with that... and my wife too. Will search on Youtube for location, but a front engine, it should be in the firewall somewhere. The issue is how to reach it. Thank you for the info.

 

Here is the thread/post eeeeek was talking about: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/f...5/#post1553181
Yep, near the firewall but easy access although a little tighter on the V8 than the V6.

 

That link was awesome help. That'd be one of the first things I do if I end up with a P450. And I'd probably just plug the firewall... if I can reach that thing. The other option is plugging the intake, but doesn't seem as effective. Thanks a lot for your great help.

 

only the NA version of the engine got hydraulic inlet valve actuators. All SC version are fitted with graded tappets both on the intake as well as on the exhaust side. If you are lucky valve clearance
was adjusted to spec during assembly , if not you will hear ticking noises during engine warm up , might get worn tappets , worn camshafts or burnt valve seats. Regarding the effort checking valve
clearance is not a standard maintenance job. Because of the tight space inside the car and some construction obstacles it's usually an engine out task. All over the valvetrain isn't a contemporary design.

Regards Ulrich

 

Very interesting and informative info Ulrich; thank you very much. Man, the engine was a tight fit in there then; geez. Thought the F-Type was pretty wide, but maybe not. Ha ha. Wish it was NA though, for better reliability, and simplicity. But contrary to turbos, an SC doesn't get that hot if not ******* the engine, right? Hope that's the case. It'd be my first SC vehicle; only NA and turbos so far. Thanks again for the info. I'm in contact with that Kitt guy at Tampa, but doubt they'll be anywhere near where I want the deal to be. Will keep you guys posted. Have a great weekend ahead, everybody.

 

Well, Kitt from Tampa Jaguar just sent me his super deals for both of those P450 RWD cars they have, and the super deal was $2K ABOVE MSRP (with junk fees). Ha ha. Those cars are pretty much out of consideration now, since it seems they'll never be anywhere near where I'd consider making a deal (if they can sell them higher, good for them), just like I suspected, so back to square one. And can't find an LC500 I want either, so we'll see what happens. And the worst thing is I can't find used ones either on both brands, so might end up with nothing for now. Might reconsider a Porsche Cayman S again, but it'd have to be used, and only if the crazy prices they're asking for them come down. Will keep you posted guys. And thank you for all your great help. Will keep actively looking, especially this month, where I could get a great deal at the end of the year. By the way, just found out you can have full extended leather on the Oyster color (but dash is not white, which is fine, but that threw me off initially), since the blue Tampa car has it, and I actually prefer that interior now, since the passenger dash not black looks a bit weird to me. But will consider both colors. Just don't want black outside, Meridian Surround is still a deal-breaker option (just like full extended leather), and 12-way heated/cooled seats, which is insane to me not ALL F-Types have them at only $300. I'm flexible on everything else, since 2024s already have power hatch, and the few driver safety options standard already.

 

FWIW, I’ve noticed the Rhode Island dealer near me has quite a few F-types. I’ve never dealt with them.
https://www.jakekaplansjaguar.com

 

It's interesting the difference in markets. I have no idea if your expectations are realistic in the US (I'm assuming they are, but I haven't read everything on here lately). Here in Canada I don't believe there is much, if anything, for negotiation on 2024s. I got basically nothing off on my deal (token discount), and another Canadian member on here I've been talking to who just purchased a 2024 had a similar experience. Not a large data sample, but I think up here you are paying MSRP basically. Smaller market, and we ended up getting our allocations very late due to too many 2023s being on the ground due to 2023 orders being delayed and coming all at once for dealers. Jaguar intentionally delivered 2024 allocations later to this market, and fewer of them to help dealers with a glut of 2023s resulting from covid logistics.

How much are you expecting to be able to get off on the car? What makes you think you can get it? I have heard of things starting to go down in the US market, but I haven't been following closely.

I just found out my dealer only got 2 allocations. 1 couple and 1 convertible for 2024. That is it, and they will NOT receive any more. I got the 1 coupe.