which engine oil?
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The V6 and V8 engines in these cars use direct injection technology. The particular qualities of the oil used are crucial to the proper performance and longevity of the engines.
The oil MUST conform to the stated Jaguar Land Rover specification 51.5122.
Your choices: the Jaguar-approved Castrol Edge Professional (not simply Castrol Edge) 0w20. There are a few and only a few others which meet this specification and this weight requirement, Motul, I think is one of them, as is LiquiMoly.
Can you use a different oil? Sure, if you don't care about possible detrimental effects to the engine and the associated expense.
The oil MUST conform to the stated Jaguar Land Rover specification 51.5122.
Your choices: the Jaguar-approved Castrol Edge Professional (not simply Castrol Edge) 0w20. There are a few and only a few others which meet this specification and this weight requirement, Motul, I think is one of them, as is LiquiMoly.
Can you use a different oil? Sure, if you don't care about possible detrimental effects to the engine and the associated expense.
Last edited by sov211; 03-09-2021 at 05:49 PM.
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The fact that Joe or Bob or Ralph tells you that he changed his oil using Econoil really means nothing unless Econoil meets specification 51.5122 . And their cars will run just fine - for a while.
Last edited by sov211; 03-09-2021 at 05:54 PM.
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by pure coincidence i bought a vacuum pump last year and its still new in the box in the garage :+)
2 gallons ordered.
thanks again
Last edited by otokar; 03-10-2021 at 05:23 AM.
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actually, the specification details DO help you. If the oil you find does not have the Jaguar Land Rover specification listed on the label, or in the manufacturer's listing, don't use it. The Castrol Edge Professional was developed specifically for these engines, but now there are a few specific - European - oils that conform to this specification, and they are available easily on-line.
The fact that Joe or Bob or Ralph tells you that he changed his oil using Econoil really means nothing unless Econoil meets specification 51.5122 . And their cars will run just fine - for a while.
The fact that Joe or Bob or Ralph tells you that he changed his oil using Econoil really means nothing unless Econoil meets specification 51.5122 . And their cars will run just fine - for a while.
which is why i use this forum because if joe, bob , ralph or billy bob bucktooth give me the wrong info, james, john, jim and mary will chime in and a discussion will arise and the correct info will likely rise to the top.
knowing that the oil is unlikely to be found on the high street and if it was the sales assistant would be unlikely to know what oil (other than 0-20) to put in, i felt the best answer would come from here, thats half the purpose of using a forum.
im not lazy, but attempting to read the tiny print with old eyes on the 100's of available oil containers, knowing that most if not all are not compatible, would be a bit of a time waster and frustrating to the max
thanks for the input
Last edited by otokar; 03-10-2021 at 05:11 AM.
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MCX (07-02-2023)
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actually, the specification details DO help you. If the oil you find does not have the Jaguar Land Rover specification listed on the label, or in the manufacturer's listing, don't use it. The Castrol Edge Professional was developed specifically for these engines, but now there are a few specific - European - oils that conform to this specification, and they are available easily on-line.
The fact that Joe or Bob or Ralph tells you that he changed his oil using Econoil really means nothing unless Econoil meets specification 51.5122 . And their cars will run just fine - for a while.
The fact that Joe or Bob or Ralph tells you that he changed his oil using Econoil really means nothing unless Econoil meets specification 51.5122 . And their cars will run just fine - for a while.
now wasnt that easy ?
surely quicker than all that typing
lol
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Having raced SCCA formula cars for over 20 years, I can guarantee that almost every car on most Road Race tracks use Red line, regardless of what oil sponsorship sticker is on the side of the car! GREAT oil, and WILL work with our Engines! See attached.
Last edited by Todd Parker; 04-21-2021 at 11:57 AM.
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Come on guys, what's an oil thread without a pissing match?
lets try this... the new ILSAC spec designed for GDI engines is GF-6A.
From the Penzoil site: "GF-6 is the name of the next ILSAC standard for passenger car motor oils. Drivers for its development include the ongoing push for greater fuel economy and the resulting engine downsizing that has grown the application of Turbocharged Gasoline Direct Injection (TGDI) engines. TGDI engines require increased protection against Low-Speed Pre-Ignition (LSPI) and timing chain wear."
Neither Liqui Moly, Redline nor Castrol Edge Professional meet this standard. Given our GDI vehicles and the timing chain issues germane to the AJ-126 / 133 motors, would it not be prudent to use a ILSAC GF-6A approved oil?
Ready? Fight!
lets try this... the new ILSAC spec designed for GDI engines is GF-6A.
From the Penzoil site: "GF-6 is the name of the next ILSAC standard for passenger car motor oils. Drivers for its development include the ongoing push for greater fuel economy and the resulting engine downsizing that has grown the application of Turbocharged Gasoline Direct Injection (TGDI) engines. TGDI engines require increased protection against Low-Speed Pre-Ignition (LSPI) and timing chain wear."
Neither Liqui Moly, Redline nor Castrol Edge Professional meet this standard. Given our GDI vehicles and the timing chain issues germane to the AJ-126 / 133 motors, would it not be prudent to use a ILSAC GF-6A approved oil?
Ready? Fight!
Last edited by ferrral; 04-21-2021 at 05:00 PM.
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Come on guys, what's an oil thread without a pissing match?
lets try this... the new ILSAC spec designed for GDI engines is GF-6A.
From the Penzoil site: "GF-6 is the name of the next ILSAC standard for passenger car motor oils. Drivers for its development include the ongoing push for greater fuel economy and the resulting engine downsizing that has grown the application of Turbocharged Gasoline Direct Injection (TGDI) engines. TGDI engines require increased protection against Low-Speed Pre-Ignition (LSPI) and timing chain wear."
Neither Liqui Moly, Redline nor Castrol Edge Professional meet this standard. Given our GDI vehicles and the timing chain issues germane to the AJ-126 / 133 motors, would it not be prudent to use a ISLAC GF-6A approved oil?
Ready? Fight!
lets try this... the new ILSAC spec designed for GDI engines is GF-6A.
From the Penzoil site: "GF-6 is the name of the next ILSAC standard for passenger car motor oils. Drivers for its development include the ongoing push for greater fuel economy and the resulting engine downsizing that has grown the application of Turbocharged Gasoline Direct Injection (TGDI) engines. TGDI engines require increased protection against Low-Speed Pre-Ignition (LSPI) and timing chain wear."
Neither Liqui Moly, Redline nor Castrol Edge Professional meet this standard. Given our GDI vehicles and the timing chain issues germane to the AJ-126 / 133 motors, would it not be prudent to use a ISLAC GF-6A approved oil?
Ready? Fight!
but i'll happily watch and cheer for whoever looks like the winner
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ferrral (04-21-2021)
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Are there still timing chain issues with these engines? I know the very early ones suffered because of the tensioners, but I'd have thought Jaguar would have got a robust solution in place by now.
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ferrral (04-21-2021)
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Good timing this old saw of a topic has come up again just now!
I am taking the F-Type into my favourite Jag mechanic in a month's time to fit a new steering wheel top cover as my eyes and hands/fingers don't play nice together any more and I don't trust myself to do it right. The OEM cover now looks ***** after my bodged efforts to remove the coating which had gone very sticky.
I spoke to the "boss" of the shop (not the actual mechanic) yesterday about this and the fact that my engine is very rattly, has been right from the start, and is getting worse.
Without saying any more he said "timing chains, we see it all the time on the V8 and V6, it's our most common fix on modern Jags".
When I pushed him for a ball park quote to renew the chains, guides and tensioners he said "five to seven", as in $5,000 to $7,000 AU. Gulp!
Anyway, I have never used 0W20 oil in the F-Type and I have only used 5W20 as I live in a fairly hot place and 0W20 always seemed a bit too thin to me.
But after lots of research and checking I discovered that one of my preferred Oz oil sellers, Penrite, now makes 0W20 ILSAC GF-6A, so I have bought 3 x 5 litre bottles of it enough for two oil changes. I intended to change the oil to this at my next change at the start of winter here, in around two months' time, but depending on what the mechanic says I might change over straight away. I always thought that it was worth giving the GF-6A a try on the off chance that it would fix or at least reduce the engine rattle, but I shied away until now coz I cannot find GF-6A in 5W20, only in 0W20.
The Penrite oil I have says it meets the spec for Ford M2C945-A/M2C947-A but it doesn't mention JLR 51.5122.
But as it is full synthetic 0W20 ILSAC GF-6A I don't see that as a problem.
I will see what the mechanic says and change the oil if he says that would be a good idea.
I am taking the F-Type into my favourite Jag mechanic in a month's time to fit a new steering wheel top cover as my eyes and hands/fingers don't play nice together any more and I don't trust myself to do it right. The OEM cover now looks ***** after my bodged efforts to remove the coating which had gone very sticky.
I spoke to the "boss" of the shop (not the actual mechanic) yesterday about this and the fact that my engine is very rattly, has been right from the start, and is getting worse.
Without saying any more he said "timing chains, we see it all the time on the V8 and V6, it's our most common fix on modern Jags".
When I pushed him for a ball park quote to renew the chains, guides and tensioners he said "five to seven", as in $5,000 to $7,000 AU. Gulp!
Anyway, I have never used 0W20 oil in the F-Type and I have only used 5W20 as I live in a fairly hot place and 0W20 always seemed a bit too thin to me.
But after lots of research and checking I discovered that one of my preferred Oz oil sellers, Penrite, now makes 0W20 ILSAC GF-6A, so I have bought 3 x 5 litre bottles of it enough for two oil changes. I intended to change the oil to this at my next change at the start of winter here, in around two months' time, but depending on what the mechanic says I might change over straight away. I always thought that it was worth giving the GF-6A a try on the off chance that it would fix or at least reduce the engine rattle, but I shied away until now coz I cannot find GF-6A in 5W20, only in 0W20.
The Penrite oil I have says it meets the spec for Ford M2C945-A/M2C947-A but it doesn't mention JLR 51.5122.
But as it is full synthetic 0W20 ILSAC GF-6A I don't see that as a problem.
I will see what the mechanic says and change the oil if he says that would be a good idea.
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ferrral (04-21-2021)
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Fair question. Honestly, I have not seen many posts regarding that. A few in the XK forums. Mine was sold new in 2013, so I always assume I'm the guinea pig. But you may be right.
Last edited by ferrral; 04-21-2021 at 09:11 PM.
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Get it from FCP Euro and all the future oil changes will be "free". I ordered my oil from them and bought an OEM filter.
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However, isn't one of the criticisms of Redline that they, as a small "boutique" oil manufacturer, don't submit samples to whatever agencies there are that actually certify that the oil meets certain ratings or standards ?
The Redline Product Information Sheet for their 0W20 oil only says "recommended for" STJLR.51.5122 and "typical properties" of ACEA Service Class SN/SM/SL/SG/CF.
Nothing about meeting GF6A which I will take as that Redline has not submitted samples for that rating to be approved.
Redline would probably be OK but I for one will only use the JLR approved oil while still under warranty. It's too bad that Redline doesn't want to go to what is probably not an inconsequential expense to have their products rated and approved. I certainly would be a customer.