There have been a "few" threads lately from members claiming that the snaps, pops, and crackles in their exhaust disappeared for no real explanation. I have commented on some of these threads how manufacturers (at least one verified - MB) were changing the data tune files on cars that originally came with these sounds. When cars came in for normal service, a SW upgrade was done (by VIN) but not necessarily labeled as a noise reduction.

Now coming from Europe, to a city, maybe near you - noise ordinances along with noise "cameras" that pick up and record loud exhausts then send a citation mailer. This is a good read and good to the last paragraph.
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/new-nois...hare_permalink

Manufacturers realize they are exposed here if they created a product that through no necessary control by the operator, a fine is generated, the operator can have a legal position to sue (class action) the manufacturer. And that's pressure different than the obvious pressure coming to the manufacturers from EPAs that impose noise controls.

I have no proof that Jaguar is doing this...other than some members here claiming the sound their car generated at one time no longer does, for no apparent reason. Not enough examples of members here that see a connection to the change in sound and a recent dealer service visit.

 

I have direct experience with this and it’s illegal in the United States. Just tell the dealer not to install any software updates on your car. Ideally, there needs to be a lock placed on the wire harness input because if they accidentally install the software; it could take years if ever to undo in which case they know people would have sold the car or their lease ended.

Beware of the Apple iPhone comparison that dealers use. Apple takes features away from EXISTING owners all the time iby bundling changes with changes you need BUT you still have to consent first. Phones are disposable but cars are not thus features cannot be taken away without compensation in America unless you consent. Thanks to Tesla, when you buy an electric car, you give up full ownership rights the day you buy it and new ones have the Biden chip that allows the police to take control of your car.

If you live in the EU, they can do whatever they want to you because you don’t have full ownership rights. In the EU, you cannot even sell your own car for more than 1000 Euros CASH. Every transaction above 1000 euros must go through the banking system.

In summary, every country has their own culture/law but they are not always compatible with other countries cultures and law so it is critical to resist policies based on the fact that “country X does it”. During our lifetime, Spain didn’t have an age limit for consent. A child had a child at 10 years old a few years ago.🇺🇸

 

What the hell is a "Biden chip"?

 

As I said, it allows the authorities to take control of your NEW car while you are driving it like when you are speeding to take your wife to the hospital etc…Biden signed this into law or at least he thinks he did.🤡

 

For the love of all that is holy, let's keep politics out of the F-Type forum.

 

That’s NOT politics, it’s the law. Sometimes it’s better to just say, I didn’t know that… The Biden chip, like Obamacare, Trump Tariffs are named after the President who signed them. 🇺🇸

 

Really?Your little extra statement moves it from reporting "facts" to editorializing.

 

Facts:

1. Biden was and still is mentally ill.
2. It was physically impossible for him to have sign all the documents that is credited to him.
3. An investigation is ongoing, but the others signing (auto pen) documents for him has already been disclosed.

I put the clown head to lighten up what is essentially a legal discussion.🤡 You were clearly more concerned about the Biden name than the chip that will take control of future cars. The political lane was your choice. No problem.

A lot of us know more than just cars and car culture doesn’t exist in a vacuum. ☮️

 

I wish we could down-vote posts on this forum ...

 

Seems to be mandatory for US presidents these days. Biden never had delusions of adequacy, though.

 

At the risk of pouring fuel on this already dumpster fire.... I'll admit I have no idea about anything you claimed in your post, so I decided to ask Gemini opinions on it. It replies: It appears the forum post you're referencing contains a number of claims that are either inaccurate, misleading, or a mix of both. Let's break down the key points one by one.

Claim: Updating a car's software without consent is illegal in the United States.

• There is no federal law in the United States that explicitly makes it illegal for a dealer to update a vehicle's software without the owner's consent. However, this is a gray area and is typically governed by the terms of the purchase or lease agreement. Most agreements give the manufacturer or dealer the right to perform software updates as part of maintenance or recalls, especially if the update is related to safety or emissions.
  
• That being said, if a dealer performs an update that removes a feature you paid for and you did not consent, you may have a legal claim for breach of contract.
  

Claim: There needs to be a lock on the wire harness input.

• This is not a standard or legally required practice. While some car enthusiasts may take such measures, it's not a practical solution for most owners and could potentially void the vehicle's warranty.
  

Claim: Apple takes features away from existing owners, but you still have to consent first.

• This is a simplification. While Apple does release software updates that can change features or even remove them, the user is prompted to install the update. However, this prompt is not a legal consent form; it is simply a notification that an update is available. Many users accept these updates without reading the fine print.
  

Claim: Phones are disposable but cars are not, thus features cannot be taken away without compensation in America unless you consent.

• This is an overgeneralization. The legal protections for consumers regarding software updates on cars are still evolving. The "right to repair" movement is pushing for greater consumer control over their vehicles, but the legal landscape is not yet settled.
  
• Again, the key here is the contract you signed when you bought the car. The terms of that agreement will dictate what a manufacturer or dealer can and cannot do to your vehicle.
  

Claim: Thanks to Tesla, when you buy an electric car, you give up full ownership rights the day you buy it.

• This is a highly debated and largely inaccurate statement. While Tesla's business model involves a great deal of software control over its vehicles, a Tesla owner still has legal ownership of the car itself. However, the software is licensed, not owned, which gives Tesla significant control over what features are available and how the car operates. This is a point of contention for many consumers, but it does not equate to a complete loss of ownership.
  

Claim: New ones have the Biden chip that allows the police to take control of your car.

• This is a baseless conspiracy theory. There is no such thing as a "Biden chip" that allows the police to take control of your car. The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act of 2021 (the "Bipartisan Infrastructure Law") requires new vehicles to have a passive drunk driving prevention system that can detect and prevent impaired driving. This system is not a "Biden chip" and does not give law enforcement control over your vehicle. The law also does not specify how this technology will work.
  

Claim: If you live in the EU, they can do whatever they want to you because you don’t have full ownership rights.

• This is also a false statement. The EU has very strong consumer protection laws, including the right to repair and data privacy regulations like the GDPR. While the legal framework for vehicle ownership and software updates is still developing, it is incorrect to say that EU citizens have no ownership rights.
  

Claim: In the EU, you cannot even sell your own car for more than 1000 Euros CASH.

• This is a misstatement of the law. Many EU countries have cash transaction limits to combat money laundering. The specific limit varies by country, but it is often around €1,000 to €10,000. These laws apply to all transactions, not just car sales, and they do not prevent you from selling your car for more than the limit; they simply require you to use a banking system for transactions above that amount.
  

Claim: During our lifetime, Spain didn’t have an age limit for consent. A child had a child at 10 years old a few years ago.

• This is historically inaccurate and sensationalized. Spain's age of consent was 13 for many years, which was lower than many other countries, but it has since been raised to 16. The claim about a 10-year-old having a child is likely an isolated and unverified anecdote, not a reflection of the legal system.
  

In summary, the forum post contains a significant amount of misinformation, conflating legal issues, technical details, and conspiracy theories. It is always best to consult with a legal professional or reputable source to understand your rights as a consumer.

*shrug*

 

You sound like a troll! 😲Nevertheless, I have actually had a feature removed from my vehicle and had the feature restored by the by the factory via the dealer for the reasons stated. But we should believe you when you have zero experience in this legal matter and you are relying on Artificial Intelligence? That is not what we are here for.

The purpose of a vehicle forum is to share ACTUAL experiences and not debate false goofy internet searches you don’t understand. I shared information from an actual experience and based on JLR actions, for which I may be the only one. You don’t have to learn from me because my cars work great from using real intelligence. You can have the “artificial stuff” and continue chasing down features that “mysteriously” disappear from cars like it’s magic!🤣

 

All good - for context my post was more intended for other folks than you, wasn't really under the impression I'd be successfully convincing you of anything. Carry on then...

 

Not sure where you get your info, but you are wrong. As per Jaguar, they reduced the pops and bangs because they were costing them money, as in replacing Cats and O2 sensors. So they updated your SW without telling you and that is perfectly legal in the USA. They also can check for tunes and void any warranty or make adjustments to any sensor and not tell you, ask any Tesla customer. It is not a way for the government to track you or stop you from speeding. If it was, EVERY news agency in the country would be writing about cops doing this.
Got to ask, do you sweep your house for bugs on a regular basis?

 

All I know is it seems the world will not be happy until all the fun is sucked out of cars ;-0 Between the no ICE movements and sensitive ears out there we’re doomed ;-0

I guess I should do that exhaust upgrade while I still can? ;-o

 

Sorry for the folks who fell in love with exhaust sounds and had it taken away.

My new 2024 sounds amazing with the fuse pulled and I honestly don't know if I would want it any louder..... especially above a certain RPM. It's the best sounding exhaust direct from the manufacturer and it's not even close.

Disclaimer: I don't own a Bugatti, Ferrari or other hypercar, so my ears could still be virgins, but the builders who produce in larger quantities offer nothing I would select over the F-Type.

 

Hey guys - Just wanted to say - I didn't mean this thread to become political and my original post was not meant to cause a deeper discussion into what politician did what. So, please accept my apologies. I was only attempting to point out that "agencies" across the globe can impact what we buy through pressures on the manufacturer.

Regarding a SW flash on the car you own and bring in for servicing at an authorized dealer, Any SW rev or update comes from the manufacturer and not the dealer. Dealers only have the capability of flashing a system per the instructions of the factory which is usually issued by VIN or MY. A dealer cannot make individual changes to SW. The manufacturer can if it is being influenced by an "agency". That can be coming from any country in which the manufacturer sells product. So, the dealer is only the "messenger" and not the originator.

Thanks,

BTW - My Aston DB11 V12 is obnoxious, beyond embarrassment when I am in Sport +. So much so, that I never drive it that way. But I also know that sounds are personal and impacts each one of us differently.

 

All good, and I also apologize for fanning the flames (or letting AI fan the flames for me lol), this didn't start as political. Definitely an interesting topic, most folks wonder how Jag (and apparently Aston) got away with this amount of loudness in the first place. Actually now that I think about it Ford and Chevy are now producing some cars that are quite loud from the factory too (ironic in the age of silent electric cars). BTW, personal opinion, but I think you need to get over the embarrassment of a DB11 V12 at full shout

 

One of the things a software update may do (IME) is to reset the default dynamic mode settings to "normal" (or whatever it's called now), which, if you're looking for extra noise in DM may be the reason. Worth checking they're still "dynamic", anyway.

 

It’s true, it is quite good as is as long as the valves are open. But I’m greedy and would like a little more ;-0