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Old Feb 15, 2015 | 03:50 PM
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Having watched this thread for a while, I'm starting to wonder whether this problem us particularly evident for convertibles rather than coupes? The coupe is claimed to be 80% stiffer, so is it related to body twist in the vert?
No, I have a coupe. While mine was in the shop, they loaned me a brand new coupe w/ 10 miles on it and it had the paint issue on both sides.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2015 | 03:56 PM
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The most likely reason for paint flaking on the edges of plastic panels is that during the painting process the edges were a little shy of plastic etch primer.
Subsequent loss of paint adhesion and water penetration will lift the colour coat and leave a chip.
Body shop re-painted mine twice. Both times, after repainting the entire rocker and several days of dry time, the rocker was re-mounted on the car and in the 100 ft drive from the shop floor to the customer pickup area, the paint re-flaked again in the same area.

Final resolution was to replace the entire rocker panel with one taken off a brand new car that was just delivered.
 
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Old Feb 15, 2015 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by another_geek
Body shop re-painted mine twice. Both times, after repainting the entire rocker and several days of dry time, the rocker was re-mounted on the car and in the 100 ft drive from the shop floor to the customer pickup area, the paint re-flaked again in the same area.

Final resolution was to replace the entire rocker panel with one taken off a brand new car that was just delivered.
Sounds to me as if they didn't add the foam backing before repainting yours (twice). It's now on all cars built after the problem and solution were identified.
 
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Old Feb 16, 2015 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by another_geek
Body shop re-painted mine twice. Both times, after repainting the entire rocker and several days of dry time, the rocker was re-mounted on the car and in the 100 ft drive from the shop floor to the customer pickup area, the paint re-flaked again in the same area.

Final resolution was to replace the entire rocker panel with one taken off a brand new car that was just delivered.
With 30+ years of painting all manner of cars i can honestly say this has nothing to do with body flex. For the body to be flexing so much that the paint on the lower panels is chafing and chipping you would be more concerned with the creases in your 1/4 panel than chips on the lower panel.

A properly prepared and etched painted panel such as this should be able to withstand a fair amount of flexing in the hand without loss of adhesion and flaking....far more than any body flex when fitted. Sure you will get cars without this problem. They have obviously been painted properly.

It really sounds like jaguar have chosen the prowess of telling customers that the mighty torque of the car is the culprit instead of hit and miss workmanship.
 
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Old Feb 16, 2015 | 04:51 PM
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I think "flexing" is the wrong term.

I haven't had the problem after 6K miles, but I think a more accurate term is "rubbing" due to normal road impacts. The joint between the lower plastic rocker panels and upper aluminum ones is extremely tight, and you can't even fit a piece of paper between them (just tried it). The identified JLR fix of a thin layer of foam in the joint between the two, is just a cushion against that rubbing.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2015 | 12:43 AM
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Hi Foosh , Rubbing on the edge of well adhered paint would wear the edge of the paint smooth to the point of exposing the primer had the panel edges been properly prepped for paint.

I see a lot of this kind of chip damage daily , both where panel has been poorly prepped from the factory or after market repair
 
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Old Feb 17, 2015 | 01:11 AM
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So what is the actual problem here?

I've read that in time gone by, adding a 'flex' additive to the paint on flexible (plastic, urethane) parts was required, but these days its not done so much because the drying/curing time for the paint is longer when the additive is used, and "its not needed any more" (but opinions seem to differ).

Would proper prep and use of a flex additive cure this problem?
 
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Old Feb 17, 2015 | 01:14 AM
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So what is the actual problem here?

I've read that in time gone by, adding a 'flex' additive to the paint on flexible (plastic, urethane) parts was required, but these days its not done so much because the drying/curing time for the paint is longer when the additive is used, and "its not needed any more" (but opinions seem to differ).

Also, improper prep of plastic parts that have mold release agents on them will cause poor paint adhesion.

Would proper prep and use of a flex additive cure this problem? Is it the prep, or the flex?

After all, pretty much every car made these days has plastic/urethane bumpers or panels in contact with metal body parts, and the vast majority don't have this problem, which has been noted by several F-Type owners.
 

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Old Feb 17, 2015 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Old Auto
Hi Foosh , Rubbing on the edge of well adhered paint would wear the edge of the paint smooth to the point of exposing the primer had the panel edges been properly prepped for paint.

I see a lot of this kind of chip damage daily , both where panel has been poorly prepped from the factory or after market repair
That's essentially what most of the pictures I've seen look like, with the exception of an occasional chip in that same area. The chip could be from rock damage since that is an impact area behind the front tires.

There is an excellent picture of that smooth wear on a black car above.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2015 | 10:38 PM
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Sorry Foosh , all i have read about in the this thread have been posters describing " chipping and flaking ".
 
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Old Feb 18, 2015 | 05:48 AM
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Mine looked much more like chipping than wear
 
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Old Feb 18, 2015 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by AnD3rew
Mine looked much more like chipping than wear
On the picture you posted of your IRR car in the OP, I saw 90+% rubbing, with a couple of visible chips in the same area near the rear wheel, which could have been impact damage. That's a common place to take a rock impact hurled from the front tire.
 

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Old Feb 18, 2015 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Foosh
On the picture you posted of your IRR car in the OP, I saw 90+% rubbing, with a couple of visible chips in the same area near the rear wheel, which could have been impact damage. That's a common place to take a rock impact hurled from the front tire.
I'm afraid the picture from my phone really isn't high enough resolution to see properly, but that's really not the case, it was clear chipping and it was primarily inside the gap between the panels so unlikely to be caused by rocks.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2015 | 04:49 AM
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I have the same issue on 2016 F type R Coupe which was built on July 2015. The paint is chipping on one side. I only had the car for two weeks and drove it 600 miles only. So apparently, Jaguar have not fixed this issue on newer builds.

I am going to take the car to the dealer this week to fix the issue. Should I suggest a touch up paint, as I do not want them to repaint the whole panel.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2015 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Totti
I have the same issue on 2016 F type R Coupe which was built on July 2015. The paint is chipping on one side. I only had the car for two weeks and drove it 600 miles only. So apparently, Jaguar have not fixed this issue on newer builds.

I am going to take the car to the dealer this week to fix the issue. Should I suggest a touch up paint, as I do not want them to repaint the whole panel.
I would recommend you let them re paint the whole panel which is what they are supposed to do, I don't think the touch up will be a proper long term solution.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2015 | 06:36 PM
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My dealer took panel off and sent out.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2015 | 07:30 AM
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mine was done twice so far with the "fix" applied after first time. Pretty annoying but it simply will go back to the dealer until it is fixed.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2015 | 07:49 AM
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Like the Meridian issue, this is one of those hard to understand variations between cars. My 14 shows no signs of this, and it clearly wasn't one of the cars with the "fix" implemented. I wonder if it has to do with manufacturing variability of that panel. Slight differences in size and/or mounting points could explain this.
 
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Old Oct 27, 2015 | 08:08 AM
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Having just dome some paint work on a 24 year old car with similar plastic to metal joints (and no damage after 24 years) I would hazard a guess that the problem may be due to compression or sligh deformation of the plastic panel edges where the fasteners attach the pastic to the metal.

This could be due to bad design - fasteners too close to the outside edge of the panel, bolt head bearing surface too small, or similar. The foam fix probably 'spreads' the load over a wider area, reducing the pressure at any particular point. It may be that cars that don't exhibit the problem are just fortunate (perhaps the bolts were torqued less)?
 
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Old Oct 27, 2015 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mshedden
Having just dome some paint work on a 24 year old car with similar plastic to metal joints (and no damage after 24 years) I would hazard a guess that the problem may be due to compression or sligh deformation of the plastic panel edges where the fasteners attach the pastic to the metal.

This could be due to bad design - fasteners too close to the outside edge of the panel, bolt head bearing surface too small, or similar. The foam fix probably 'spreads' the load over a wider area, reducing the pressure at any particular point. It may be that cars that don't exhibit the problem are just fortunate (perhaps the bolts were torqued less)?
That's certainly a logical theory.
 
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