Daimler 250 V8 alternator conversion
#1
Daimler 250 V8 alternator conversion
Hello all,
I recently purchased a 1964 Daimler 250 V8.
The car is in great condition but unfortunately had corroded water jackets in the heads so is undergoing a complete egine rebuild. I've been doing my research and am learning the ins and outs of these wonderful cars slowly as I go.
Whilst in tear down - I'm looking at making some recommended upgrades - including converting the factory dynamo to an alternator. I can get most parts and understand the process involved but am finding it difficult to locate a bracket for this conversion. Does anyone know where I can source one - or if there is a direct fit replacement from an alternative make or model vehicle/engine?
I've had a quote for $750+ gst for a kit inclusive of an alternator, amp gauge shunt and fabricated steel bracket but this seems a bit steep. I can get an alternator for $180 and I'd rather fabricate my own bracket if I can't find one or something that will fit.
If there is a direct bolt on or something I can modify this is obviously the preferred choice.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance - Nick.
I recently purchased a 1964 Daimler 250 V8.
The car is in great condition but unfortunately had corroded water jackets in the heads so is undergoing a complete egine rebuild. I've been doing my research and am learning the ins and outs of these wonderful cars slowly as I go.
Whilst in tear down - I'm looking at making some recommended upgrades - including converting the factory dynamo to an alternator. I can get most parts and understand the process involved but am finding it difficult to locate a bracket for this conversion. Does anyone know where I can source one - or if there is a direct fit replacement from an alternative make or model vehicle/engine?
I've had a quote for $750+ gst for a kit inclusive of an alternator, amp gauge shunt and fabricated steel bracket but this seems a bit steep. I can get an alternator for $180 and I'd rather fabricate my own bracket if I can't find one or something that will fit.
If there is a direct bolt on or something I can modify this is obviously the preferred choice.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance - Nick.
#3
NMav unless you are seeking a power (electrical) gain for some unknown reason putting an alternator in your car is not exactly an upgrade. In our family we have a MK2 (340 US) with approved add on AC. Even with that drain the stock generator is able to keep up unless the conditions are severe (night--hot--rain--and stop and go traffic). With that in mind an alternator will not be necessary. A generator is simpler than an alternator and the charging system is simpler (more simple?). It is your call but I would consider just checking what I have! Oh yes and the shop manuals will still be useful and the next owner will thank you.
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csbush (05-27-2018)
#4
Alternator replacement.
Hi nmav0709,
I agree with George. Does your car have the c40L generator the car came with? L standing for long body and more out put. My car only has the c40 generator and Its ok for keeping the battery charged. I'd save the money and keep it for the future. I have been amazed at what I have had to spend money on to keep my 54 year old Daimler on the road.
Regards,
David B.
PS I live in Noosa Qld.
I agree with George. Does your car have the c40L generator the car came with? L standing for long body and more out put. My car only has the c40 generator and Its ok for keeping the battery charged. I'd save the money and keep it for the future. I have been amazed at what I have had to spend money on to keep my 54 year old Daimler on the road.
Regards,
David B.
PS I live in Noosa Qld.
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First question is what setup do you have? Do you have power steering ? I can't see you mentioned that in the post, but I may have missed something, there are a couple of ways that you may be able to do this fairly simply, maybe you could post some pictures of the arrangement you have at present.
George is correct in asking why you need/want to convert, whilst the generator is simpler by design, the regulator system is not as slick, it is an electro/mechanical setup which although pretty reliable, is not easy to adjust, and the generator output is much less at low revs.
If you are intending on requiring a larger current output, you need to assess the existing wiring, the wiring on these old cars is not exactly state of the art, and is 50 years old, so if adding extra load, you need to carefully consider if the existing wiring is up to the job otherwise you may be wise to invest in a fire extinguisher just in case !
George is correct in asking why you need/want to convert, whilst the generator is simpler by design, the regulator system is not as slick, it is an electro/mechanical setup which although pretty reliable, is not easy to adjust, and the generator output is much less at low revs.
If you are intending on requiring a larger current output, you need to assess the existing wiring, the wiring on these old cars is not exactly state of the art, and is 50 years old, so if adding extra load, you need to carefully consider if the existing wiring is up to the job otherwise you may be wise to invest in a fire extinguisher just in case !
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I don't have power steering and the rest of the setup is fairly stock with the exception of electronic ignition which has been upgraded in the past from the old points setup. The car is also negative earth but I'm unsure if these cars were positive or negative from factory.
The current dynamo unit (C39 - 12V) is very raggedy and corroded and was causing issues before the motor was torn down. Hence I wish to upgrade and go the alternator route just for improved tractability and reliability.
I've managed to locate a supplier that provides dynamos but with alternator internals and pre-wired for negative earth so direct bolt in replacement with no other work necessary. As with everything else on the car I intend to keep the original dynamo in case I ever sell the vehicle but I do not see that happening as I'm completely smitten with it and got it for a bargain.
The current dynamo unit (C39 - 12V) is very raggedy and corroded and was causing issues before the motor was torn down. Hence I wish to upgrade and go the alternator route just for improved tractability and reliability.
I've managed to locate a supplier that provides dynamos but with alternator internals and pre-wired for negative earth so direct bolt in replacement with no other work necessary. As with everything else on the car I intend to keep the original dynamo in case I ever sell the vehicle but I do not see that happening as I'm completely smitten with it and got it for a bargain.
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#8
Wow recasts? That's impressive as I didn't think that over 50 years later that someone would be able to facilitate the means of producing them again. I've had mine reconditioned for fairly cheap ($800AUD for the pair) which included welding of the corroded water jackets and the machining work. I also purchased stainless valves for good measure.
How do I get in contact with the Daimler Spares Club? I'd like to get a spare pair of bare heads just to have on hand if it's cost effective enough to do so as I imagine these little alloy beauties will become much rarer in future.
How do I get in contact with the Daimler Spares Club? I'd like to get a spare pair of bare heads just to have on hand if it's cost effective enough to do so as I imagine these little alloy beauties will become much rarer in future.
Last edited by nmav0709; 05-27-2018 at 08:34 AM.
#9
Daimler Spares Club NZ.
Daimler Spares Club NZ.
Daimler Jaguar Owners ? Spare Parts Club ? New Zealand ? Daimler Jaguar Owners ? Spare Parts Club ? New Zealand
Daimler and Lanchester Owners in NZ spare parts clun inc.
Po Box 43 Belfast NZ.
There is a joining fee and annual membership fee. About $ 70 aud all up.
They will send a welcome pack on membership ( may take 2 weeks ) included is a good parts catalogue.
Regards,
David B.
Daimler Jaguar Owners ? Spare Parts Club ? New Zealand ? Daimler Jaguar Owners ? Spare Parts Club ? New Zealand
Daimler and Lanchester Owners in NZ spare parts clun inc.
Po Box 43 Belfast NZ.
There is a joining fee and annual membership fee. About $ 70 aud all up.
They will send a welcome pack on membership ( may take 2 weeks ) included is a good parts catalogue.
Regards,
David B.
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nmav0709 (06-02-2018)
#11
Alternator swap
Hi
can you share the supplier of the alternator within the original dynamo casing.
can you share the supplier of the alternator within the original dynamo casing.
I don't have power steering and the rest of the setup is fairly stock with the exception of electronic ignition which has been upgraded in the past from the old points setup. The car is also negative earth but I'm unsure if these cars were positive or negative from factory.
The current dynamo unit (C39 - 12V) is very raggedy and corroded and was causing issues before the motor was torn down. Hence I wish to upgrade and go the alternator route just for improved tractability and reliability.
I've managed to locate a supplier that provides dynamos but with alternator internals and pre-wired for negative earth so direct bolt in replacement with no other work necessary. As with everything else on the car I intend to keep the original dynamo in case I ever sell the vehicle but I do not see that happening as I'm completely smitten with it and got it for a bargain.
The current dynamo unit (C39 - 12V) is very raggedy and corroded and was causing issues before the motor was torn down. Hence I wish to upgrade and go the alternator route just for improved tractability and reliability.
I've managed to locate a supplier that provides dynamos but with alternator internals and pre-wired for negative earth so direct bolt in replacement with no other work necessary. As with everything else on the car I intend to keep the original dynamo in case I ever sell the vehicle but I do not see that happening as I'm completely smitten with it and got it for a bargain.
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You can try
https://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product_list/197
Dynators, Alternator Conversions and Dynamos for Classic CarsFosseway Performance
https://www.carbuildersolutions.com/...iABEgKg8PD_BwE
Ebay also
Just search for Dynator , Dynamator or "Alternator in a Dynamo case" you should get some choice.
https://www.autoelectricsupplies.co.uk/product_list/197
Dynators, Alternator Conversions and Dynamos for Classic CarsFosseway Performance
https://www.carbuildersolutions.com/...iABEgKg8PD_BwE
Ebay also
Just search for Dynator , Dynamator or "Alternator in a Dynamo case" you should get some choice.
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