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Old Jun 23, 2021 | 05:57 PM
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why is that? the car was LHD just like my car.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2021 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by paddyx350
Thanks to all for your replies
I'm having trouble finding anything to replace the 5.25 inch fogs in Ireland/UK/Europe
Do you have the original casings? Finding operating sealed beams is the important thing if you have.

Be patient & keep looking on Ebay UK for:

LUCAS FT/LR 6/9 Spot Lamps


Also use the Lucas code with spotlights, foglights & foglamps.

You will find sooner or later. The sealed beam is held in the chrome Bezel by a simple rotary clip.
 

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Old Jun 23, 2021 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jose
why is that? the car was LHD just like my car.
Because Ireland drives on the other side of the road like the UK, South Africa, Australia, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore etc.. Paddy needs RHD headlights.
 

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Old Jun 23, 2021 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck
Do you have the original casings? Finding operating sealed beams is the important thing if you have.

Be patient & keep looking on Ebay UK for:

LUCAS FT/LR 6/9 Spot Lamps


Also use the Lucas code with spotlights, foglights & foglamps.

You will find sooner or later. The sealed beam is held in the chrome Bezel by a simple rotary clip.

Here is a new one. You can sometimes find as low as GBP 20 for either new or used but working units. It requires patience. This was a very late manufacture. See back it was made by Mazda lighting. There are a number of used on Ebay at the moment. Just make sure they work with the seller.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303388533191

 

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Old Jun 23, 2021 | 07:22 PM
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Paddy. Full rear mount foglamp unit as I show above showing mounting rubbers etc to car body and seals & harness protection in the wheel well.












Fog light sealed beam replacement. Remove bezel.
























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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck
Because Ireland drives on the other side of the road like the UK, South Africa, Australia, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore etc.. Paddy needs RHD headlights.
you misunderstood my post, I was referring to fitting the Swedish Lucas 700 headlamps to my car because the Swedish car was LHD.


 
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 08:15 AM
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Sorry. I did indeed. I was concentrating on Paddy's lights.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 08:27 AM
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Concerning the Swedish car, Sweden switched sides of the road in 1967. For a few years before the switch, most cars sold were LHD in preparation. Depending on when the car moved to the US and, of course, its history since then, the lenses could be L or R dipping. I think Lucas put some info on the lens about L or R.

There's a company in the UK called Holden who sell a lot of repro and old stock electrics. I don't know if they can help with these lamps.

For Lucas equipment, I've been told (by someone involved) always to look for 'Lucas Classic' which comes in red boxes and to avoid, where possible, anything in green boxes. The red box stuff is made by SNG Barratt in the UK while the green box products can basically come from anywhere.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 08:50 AM
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Lucas usually puts an arrow on the lens as I show on the H4 above designating to which side the unit dips. Otherwise it's in the p/n coding. The foglamps are L/R because they are not sided.

Holden can sell you a single filament 55W generic fog if you are not fussed by having Lucas on the lens. 20 Pounds plus VAT. Quality iffy.





 

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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 09:51 AM
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I was quite happy to buy up NOS Pathfinder etc. Lucas lamps for their FT6 sealed beams & discard the chromework. Always had friends that wanted the chrome.

The FT6 FOG light sealed beam came in 3 major forms. Fine vertical lines in the box around the Lucas, Course vertical lines in the logo surrounding box & clear within the box with a "Q" in the lower centre. There were other minor changes to the fog lamp lens. Some did not even have FT6 in the lower lens.

They were also sold as spot lamps with clear lenses or a few vertical lines.







Long range spot left, Fog right.


 

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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Jose
I think the decision on what lighting to fit depends on whether you are keeping the stock generator or upgrading to an alternator because some of those lamps consume more electric power than the generator can support at idling and also because some of those lamps require upgrading the wiring, an important factor to consider.

If you are keeping the stock Lucas generator, keep the lighting stock.
I agree it is both what Jose said above and if you really intend to build more of a concourse car. If you are not the Vision X 7" LED is maintenance free, will last 50,000 hours and only uses 1.1 amps on low beam and 1.5 amps on high beam. For me they provide incredible light output with no maintenance and the load on the Jaguar electrical is greatly reduced.

The best non LED is what I said the school Hella fixtures and upgraded with high wattage bulbs which will give good light but you are pushing high amps as the best combo is either a 55 or 65 for low and a 100 or 150 high beam. I would not feel confident with Jaguar electrical to increase wattage of the bulbs as compared to what Porsche and Z car owners do whom also use the same 7" headlight; unless you redoing all of the electrical with new harness, etc. To me unless you are really going after a concourse shows it would be better to use Vision X 7" LED's or other good quality LED 7" headlight. If you are really in concourse you better be willing to spend big $$ as Glyn has done, as every single nut and bolt in the entire engine bay and undercarriage better be show quality and original otherwise if you even second guess the costs of anything, it waste of time to me as your car will never win a concourse show.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 11:10 AM
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My point was merely with modern lighting you don't need extra charging capability. Nothing else. High Intensity LED's etc. draw very little. As I said BIX that are now old hat only on average draw 35watts. You have to recode your Benz or whatever if you fitted BIX at the time or it throws up a fault. Same with LED's. If the lights draw less current the car thinks you have a blown unit. Yes you can fit inline resistors but that is a bodge of the first degree. This was only an issue requiring a Star to alter setting on early cars. Later cars you simply go into the convenience menu & select BIX present.

If you are adding other high draw components you do but not lights. Lights have been getting steadily brighter & drawing less current.

While my car is pretty accurate regarding JCNA regs that I used it is not a trailer queen & would only be entered in the driving class which is favourably looked upon in SA concours.
 

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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 04:00 PM
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Glynn

Yes I have the original casing/mountings/chrome. Just looking for a 5.25 lamp with replaceable bulb to fit in there!
I'll try Holden and keep looking on Ebay as suggested.
Thanks for the help.

Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck
Do you have the original casings? Finding operating sealed beams is the important thing if you have.

Be patient & keep looking on Ebay UK for:

LUCAS FT/LR 6/9 Spot Lamps


Also use the Lucas code with spotlights, foglights & foglamps.

You will find sooner or later. The sealed beam is held in the chrome Bezel by a simple rotary clip.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by paddyx350
Glynn

Yes I have the original casing/mountings/chrome. Just looking for a 5.25 lamp with replaceable bulb to fit in there!
I'll try Holden and keep looking on Ebay as suggested.
Thanks for the help.
You have to find sealed beams to fit. There is no space for a reflector with replaceable lamp/bulb in there.
 

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Old Jun 24, 2021 | 06:04 PM
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Whenever I see a Working Lucas FT6 for sale at an Auto jumble I buy it. I have three spares in the attic tucked away just in case as they no longer make them new.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2021 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Cass3958
Whenever I see a Working Lucas FT6 for sale at an Auto jumble I buy it. I have three spares in the attic tucked away just in case as they no longer make them new.
I also have a working pair of the FT6 in very nice condition. I call them S type "Fog Rangers", they are larger than the MK-2 Fog Rangers. They came off the Swedish S type.

Thanks to Peter for the info. about Sweden. I will check the Lucas 700 to see if there are any direction arrows.

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Old Jun 25, 2021 | 11:08 PM
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A very common modification here in Australia is to configure the four lamps in the same way as the later XJ saloons (after replacing the foglamps with equivalent halogen lamps and the outboard headlamps with H4 halogen or LED equivalents). By fitting the dip relay and wiring that matches the XJ saloons, you get outboard headlamps x2 on low (dipped) beam and then all four lamps on high (main) beam. If doing a lot of country night driving (as I have) it has really made a big difference avoiding kangaroos while still being street legal (all lamps including spotlamps must be in the dipped setting while driving on residential streets). Just a different perspective from "downunder".
 

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Old Jun 26, 2021 | 09:40 AM
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Good perspective with adequate charging circuit/capacity.
 

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