MKI / MKII S type 240 340 & Daimler 1955 - 1967

S-Type Cooling System

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #21  
Old 01-25-2018, 06:22 AM
wearlej's Avatar
Banned
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Londinium
Posts: 240
Received 19 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

OK, so just been out and looked. The head gasket is definitely gone, there is now coolant on the dipstick

I think I've found the culprit as well, one of the core plugs is definitely shot..
 
  #22  
Old 01-25-2018, 06:50 AM
wearlej's Avatar
Banned
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Londinium
Posts: 240
Received 19 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

Looks done...


 
  #23  
Old 01-25-2018, 09:26 AM
Fraser Mitchell's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Crewe, England
Posts: 9,391
Received 2,430 Likes on 1,940 Posts
Default

A core plug going is not the cause of the HGF, assuming you have an HGF. Corrosion elsewhere in the cooling circuit could be causing coolant to get into the oil. On my last XJ, I found serious corrosion of the timing chest cover where the coolant passage into the block is located. By all means lift the head, (its probably a prudent move if it's never been off before), but this may not be the end of the problem. Certainly replacement of all the core plugs would be prudent as well. A lot of owners never put anti-freeze in the coolant if they lived in warm climates, but the addition of corrosion inhibitors in the anti-freeze prevents a lot of corrosion. Your core plug looks as if this aspect has been neglected in the past.
 
  #24  
Old 01-25-2018, 09:52 AM
JeffR1's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Lake Cowichan BC Canada
Posts: 1,660
Received 671 Likes on 487 Posts
Default

Fraser hit the nail on the head.
When the head is removed have it checked for warpage and have the machine shop pressure test it too.
Consider having a valve job done while it's off.

Corrosion and over heating go hand in hand.
Over heating also causes head gasket failure.
The dissimilar metals expand beyond their normal rates and crush the head gasket.
When things cool down, you have a leak.

Don't drive the car in this state once coolant has contaminated the oil.
The coolant turns to steam and washes the oil off the crank and rod journals and off course, you get bearing failure and crank damage.
 
  #25  
Old 01-25-2018, 10:52 AM
wearlej's Avatar
Banned
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Londinium
Posts: 240
Received 19 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

I suspect it overheated when the coolant got out, seems my temperature gauge is not to be trusted
 
  #26  
Old 01-25-2018, 12:11 PM
TilleyJon's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Bath UK
Posts: 1,654
Received 437 Likes on 363 Posts
Default

I have sent you a PM, now just looked at this, looks like it may be time for a engine overhaul, there looks like no evidence of much anti freeze looking at the gunk coming out of the core plug, I would look at taking the head off, you will soon see what state the waterways are in, they corrode badly where they enter the head and often eat away at the head where the head gasket is, this can be TIG welded back up and the head skimmed.

If the waterways are badly gunged up, you really need to acid/caustic dip the block to get it thoroughly cleaned, for more info on costs etc. see my PM.

As Jeff says, don't drive the car, when the oil and water emulsify, you lose most of it's lubricating properties as well as being corrosive !!!
 
  #27  
Old 01-25-2018, 01:28 PM
Robman25's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Auckland
Posts: 817
Received 193 Likes on 169 Posts
Default

Definitely time to pull the engine, I started off just doing the head on my 3.4
When I put it back on I suspected that I might have bent an exhaust valve (or 4 I didn’t notice the cam wasn’t moving )
Decided to pull the engine as a leak down produced air from the sump.
All six top rings broken and the oil pump rotor has the obligatory crack in the rotor.
Ahh well time to spend more money.
 
  #28  
Old 01-25-2018, 04:27 PM
wearlej's Avatar
Banned
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Londinium
Posts: 240
Received 19 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

Aye well, it's going to hurt, I'm not exactly flush at the moment after buying the old girl. I guess I'll start by getting the head off and see how it goes from there. I know I can't drive her like this without causing damage, I'm just hoping it didn't do too much harm when it went as it was night time and I didn't realise at first it had gone wrong..
 
  #29  
Old 01-25-2018, 04:46 PM
Fraser Mitchell's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Crewe, England
Posts: 9,391
Received 2,430 Likes on 1,940 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by wearlej
I'm quite near wembley actually, but I will send you a PM, I'd be quite keen to be able to do some of the work myself although it's got to be about 30 years since I have changed a head gasket!!!! The lower timing chain is very noisy so it has to come off soonish in any case.

cheers
Best if you can to do the whole engine if the rest of the car warrants it. For a Mark 2 no argument, but S-types don't hold their value so well. Make sure you inspect that timing cover as I suggested. I was quite shocked when I say mine at how close it was to a full leak of coolant into the timing chest.
 
  #30  
Old 01-25-2018, 05:18 PM
wearlej's Avatar
Banned
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Londinium
Posts: 240
Received 19 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Fraser Mitchell
Best if you can to do the whole engine if the rest of the car warrants it. For a Mark 2 no argument, but S-types don't hold their value so well. Make sure you inspect that timing cover as I suggested. I was quite shocked when I say mine at how close it was to a full leak of coolant into the timing chest.
I'll have to play it by ear and do what I can afford for now, in terms of value I know I'll never get back what I put into the car but I've always wanted the S-Type and I plan to keep it. My daughter will be the only person to get anything out of it after she inherits it...

I'll definitely have the timing cover off as the chains need replacing so I'll inspect that then.
 
  #31  
Old 01-26-2018, 03:50 PM
Robman25's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Auckland
Posts: 817
Received 193 Likes on 169 Posts
Default

S-Type Cooling System-d836df4b-8bfa-4062-a1bb-97a388eb6a66.jpeg

S-Type Cooling System-34a487a0-9311-434a-a054-36b13c914f31.jpeg

Here is my over flow/recovery tank
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
iretribution
S-Type / S type R Supercharged V8 ( X200 )
7
12-28-2013 11:32 PM
SeriousIII
E type ( XK-E )
2
01-09-2013 04:50 AM
puntoturbo
S-Type / S type R Supercharged V8 ( X200 )
19
01-01-2013 09:07 PM
blaksplash
S-Type / S type R Supercharged V8 ( X200 )
86
06-20-2011 05:14 AM
jag43v8man
S-Type / S type R Supercharged V8 ( X200 )
1
04-17-2008 04:50 PM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


Quick Reply: S-Type Cooling System



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:31 AM.