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Old Nov 22, 2019 | 09:11 PM
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sorry i have no slip . my car has run a couple of local car club drag runs . my PB is 12.72 @ 110.no prep . also have achieved close to the same no#s with dynolitios 12.74@110.
i used a drag calculator to get an estimation of HP .of just under 500bhp .
we have no local dyno here . nearest is 500km away .
no eaton roots here .
mine has the legendary OG prototype 1.7 autorotor kenne bell twin screw,
first used by a well known legend fellow forum member .
who i would think needs no introduction .
though i bought it 3rd hand .
there are dyno sheets from his XKR 4.0 on the net from way back then with only 20hp less than than my cars estimate ,his had no other mods other than the TS .
its hard for me to fathom that with 200cc more and all my mods i only gained 20hp on his no#s. though i'm not spinning it as hard as he was .
stock 4.2 eaton's run a 2.9'' top pulley at ratio 2.2:1 , mine is 2.5'' running at ratio 2.554:1

i do have some other pulleys to spin it faster still , including the original one used in testing a 2.16'' upper . or NOT AND a eurotoys lower one i will fit in the future .
BOTH these together will brake something for sure !
the stock injectors are max'ed out at 500-550bhp . and no one does a tune for the DENSO. except the canned chip tunes available .
but as soon as i state my mods they retract the availability .
BTW the Denso map is the same as the Denso 04-05 XJR .
I suspect it's the same mapping as in my Denso ECU would have to verify it. Can tune it past 500 crank not proble, this is with a stock m112 Eaton , so I think it deserves a little more credit than people think our superchargers can handle..
What's the benefit of the EGR delete on your car?
 
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Old Nov 22, 2019 | 11:14 PM
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I suspect it's the same mapping as in my Denso ECU would have to verify it. Can tune it past 500 crank not proble, this is with a stock m112 Eaton , so I think it deserves a little more credit than people think our superchargers can handle..
What's the benefit of the EGR delete on your car?

I would not think it’s the same map . Mostly because of the fact you have duel MAF and vvt.
the early STR/XJR do not .

no one said the Eaton M112 was not capable of making good power .
in-fact as you said the opposite has been well proven ,
however it is not capable of making Good power for very long.
two back to back 0-100mph runs And it falls on its face.
as it just makes too much heat which results in timing retardation then you’re back to square one.
With less power than even stock.
Especially in an already hot environment.

as for the EGR bypass there is no more soot and crap in my charge coolers, Throttle body , elbow & supercharger .


 
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Old Nov 23, 2019 | 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Datsports
I would not think it’s the same map . Mostly because of the fact you have duel MAF and vvt.
the early STR/XJR do not .

no one said the Eaton M112 was not capable of making good power .
in-fact as you said the opposite has been well proven ,
however it is not capable of making Good power for very long.
two back to back 0-100mph runs And it falls on its face.
as it just makes too much heat which results in timing retardation then you’re back to square one.
With less power than even stock.
Especially in an already hot environment.

as for the EGR bypass there is no more soot and crap in my charge coolers, Throttle body , elbow & supercharger .
I wonder if there is any power benifit with egr removal, was the ECU tweaked at all for this ? I know I attempted to do this mod on my old e55, but without the tune the cars ECU reduced timing .
I meant same mapping as in similar algorithm that ECU uses so possibly lots is similar maps. In my denso ECU car there is around 1000 maps, a bit to go through single or dual intakes wouldn't change the mapping much if at all . After all all that dual intake adds is removes some restriction , thus allowing more boost.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2019 | 03:40 AM
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single or dual intakes wouldn't change the mapping much if at all
yours is reading two MAFs , for sure it's different .
truthfully the single intake does ok . with the caldoofy pipe .
mine makes 17psi through it . the eaton would melt doing that with any intake .
14.8psi was the highest my m112 would pull with a 1.5 powerhouse pulley . which reduced to 14.2 with cat delete .
boost is most certainly propped up on both sides of the blower .

I wonder if there is any power benifit with egr removal, was the ECU tweaked at all for this ?
i know there is no timing retard with this mod on my car . also you can turn off the monitors in your tune to complete this mod .

no mine is a stock tune no alterations . still has the monitor . the light comes and goes depending on driving characteristics .
i also know there is a small power reduction from this mod , as the combustion temps were optimised to have EGR in the tune .
but i think the retained cleanliness of the in-take far out ways the small loss in power/efficiency .
i know EGR has a job to do , and does it well when new .
But i think EGR does more harm than good on a high milage engine.to both the engine and the environment
 

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Old Nov 23, 2019 | 11:22 AM
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has anybody here gas flowed the heads on an STR and if so what was the performance gains please?
 
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Old Nov 23, 2019 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Swaine
has anybody here gas flowed the heads on an STR and if so what was the performance gains please?
Not me. I have read on here somewhere someone who has though might of been in the XKR x100 form.not sure I also know there are gains inflow switching to non-supercharged exhaust manifold’s.
Don’t quite know why they did that.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2019 | 05:35 PM
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Caldoofy has seen some good gains with his headers in his XJR. Don't know if they'd fit in the STR though. I'm sure I've read an old thread on Pistonheads about someone doing head work in an XKR.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2019 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Datsports
yours is reading two MAFs , for sure it's different .
truthfully the single intake does ok . with the caldoofy pipe .
mine makes 17psi through it . the eaton would melt doing that with any intake .
14.8psi was the highest my m112 would pull with a 1.5 powerhouse pulley . which reduced to 14.2 with cat delete .
boost is most certainly propped up on both sides of the blower .



i know there is no timing retard with this mod on my car . also you can turn off the monitors in your tune to complete this mod .

no mine is a stock tune no alterations . still has the monitor . the light comes and goes depending on driving characteristics .
i also know there is a small power reduction from this mod , as the combustion temps were optimised to have EGR in the tune .
but i think the retained cleanliness of the in-take far out ways the small loss in power/efficiency .
i know EGR has a job to do , and does it well when new .
But i think EGR does more harm than good on a high milage engine.to both the engine and the environment
Interesting on your boost levels , with 1.5lb pulley I was at max 12.6 with high flows and down to 11.7 after gutting them , and this is at Sea level , so if your numbers are correct I wonder where the extra boost came from. It could be a restriction in exhaust or crank pulley ratio is different.
Btw when my high flows melted my boost was as high as 13.5
 
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432rwh Dyno on Mustang Dynometer , Approx 511 crank HP.
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Old Nov 24, 2019 | 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Swaine
has anybody here gas flowed the heads on an STR and if so what was the performance gains please?
My ported heads. Cams are more important / bigger gain mods than heads.




 
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Old Nov 24, 2019 | 04:49 AM
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My X350 Super V8 is running all the common bolt ons with Viezu tune, ran a 12.89 @ 107.2 mph last year. The tune seemed to really help, even it the actual BHP gain was small - shame about their dodgy dyno results, but that is another story...

Another guy in the UK has got 12.5 @ 111 mph with LSD and later vvt engine & ecu.

So some very nice easy real-world gains to be had. That is as far as I am taking mine, have a new project which is much faster out of the box .
 
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Old Nov 24, 2019 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexJag
Interesting on your boost levels , with 1.5lb pulley I was at max 12.6 with high flows and down to 11.7 after gutting them , and this is at Sea level , so if your numbers are correct I wonder where the extra boost came from. It could be a restriction in exhaust or crank pulley ratio is different.
Btw when my high flows melted my boost was as high as 13.5
You use the sensor after the intercoolers, I tried that before with a vacuum gauge, but the readings where very erratic due to the intake pulses.
We all use the pressure readings before the intercoolers, so just after the compressor, easy to do.
 
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Old Nov 25, 2019 | 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexJag
Interesting on your boost levels , with 1.5lb pulley I was at max 12.6 with high flows and down to 11.7 after gutting them , and this is at Sea level , so if your numbers are correct I wonder where the extra boost came from. It could be a restriction in exhaust or crank pulley ratio is different.
Btw when my high flows melted my boost was as high as 13.5

there was no "extra" boost . stock speck is 13.6 psi for the 4.2 . mine read stock 13.2 or slightly higher in cold weather when stock .
the 1.5 pulley put it over 14.xx psi off the bat . im reading that from the charge hat were the fuel pressure regulator reads from .
as AVOS suggests .
 
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Old Nov 25, 2019 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Datsports
. im reading that from the charge hat were the fuel pressure regulator reads from .
as AVOS suggests .
Where is that located and what do you use to measure?
 
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Old Nov 25, 2019 | 11:43 AM
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Where is that located and what do you use to measure?
Just follow the rubber tube from the Supercharger exit manifold (on all 4.0/4.2 models in the rear/right hand side of the manifold)
 
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Old Nov 25, 2019 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by avos
Just follow the rubber tube from the Supercharger exit manifold (on all 4.0/4.2 models in the rear/right hand side of the manifold)
Now I know what you are talking about thank you.
 
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Old Nov 25, 2019 | 12:40 PM
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IDS/SDD should show you it.

(With effort you can get it in such as an elm327.)
 
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Old Nov 25, 2019 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Datsports
there was no "extra" boost . stock speck is 13.6 psi for the 4.2 . mine read stock 13.2 or slightly higher in cold weather when stock .
the 1.5 pulley put it over 14.xx psi off the bat . im reading that from the charge hat were the fuel pressure regulator reads from .
as AVOS suggests .
Im using SDD or any obd2 reader. Those are the numbers I get . How are you reading yours?
 
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Old Nov 25, 2019 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexJag
Im using SDD or any obd2 reader. Those are the numbers I get . How are you reading yours?
with a vac/boost gauge.
As far as I am aware using the factory MAP sensor for boost readings on the 03 04 STR is in accurate In boost situations. It reads vacuum accurately but not boost .
its Best to use a third party gauge.
maybe the programming around the later MAP sensors and ecu’s with the later 4.2 are more usable , but in your case I think it’s not .seems low
though exhaust mods do alter the boost considerably .
 

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Originally Posted by XJR-99
My ported heads. Cams are more important / bigger gain mods than heads.



Sorry to add to this older thread, but curious as to whom you had do the work. Looks rather beautiful!
 
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