I currently own a X-Type so I dont frequent the S-Type forums. I was just curious as to what an STR would go for and as I was looking I came across this. I have never seen a 5spd S-type so I am assuming this is a pretty rare find.

Any thoughts?

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...5&aff=national

 

I am not familiar with the 3.0 s-types but I would think being a 6 cylinder would not be to rare.
Jeff

 

Manual STR would be awesome though.

 

Manual 3.0's are out there but only 00-02.

After that sales were so poor that they decided to drop the 5 speed as an available option. All 03+ Cars have the 6 speed auto.

Considering these cars are 9-11 years old, and for the average buyer less desireable due to the the manual, they aren't worth all that much.

FYI for anyone that feels like playing... It's a direct swap for an STR to the 5-speed, IF you can source all the parts. (A wrecked 5 speed car would be Ideal).

Take care,

George

 

Wouldn't the missing TCM mean the car would throw codes and probably go into RP / limp home?

BTW, the diesel (not sold over there) was also available in a manual. (Sounds like an awful idea to me.)

 

Americans haven't warmed up to the idea of Diesels, especially modern ones. They are seen as polluters (because we are used to black plumes of smoke pouring out of semi trucks), underpowered, and difficult to start in cold weather conditions.

Diesel fuel is also as costly as gasoline or more here.

As far as a 5spd swap. Hrrmmmm.... How does Jaguar deal with the lack of a TCM in the Manual models? There may be some sort of different wiring / bypass. Or the ECM might require a flash to manual trans software. (Dunno if manual trans software can be flashed to an STR PCM).
(i.e. if there is a separate bin file for the transmission status in ids)

Take care,

George

George

 

Diesels do kick out pollution both as gases and PM (particulate matter). Somewhat improved as the emissions laws tighten. I find the smell absolutely horrible but some people seem to have no sense of smell. Our buses are probably even worse than lorries, which are awful. Cars are bad.

Diesel here now costs a little more than our gas (petrol). But you get better mpg with diesel.

I think the manual is done via a PCM calibration. There won't be one for the STR but maybe it's a setting that IDS (/WDS) can change.

Have a look through the IDS files and report back
Er, do you have the ROW files?

 

You know, I'm not sure if I do or not...

If you can calibrate the trans section of the PCM separately (as far as whether auto or manual), then a swap is viable. Otherwise, not so much. The US Spec 02 3.0's have a manual option. I might have to find a vin for one.

George

 

Very different PCM on those early cars, and no CAN, plus the PCM also does TCM on them, so don't be too hopeful.

 

Are you saying their are diesel ROW cars with your choice of zf6hp26 or 5 speed that use the modern can bus system?

If so that's where we should be looking

George

 

Oooh, yes, I am and you are RIGHT! Well spotted!

I think the manual was only available for about a year (starting 2004.75MY) and it's a 6-speed manual described as a ZF S6-53.

It's described in various jag doc - e.g. I found "Capable of transferring a high torque of up to 460Nm ..."
It has a direct drive 5th gear and an overdrive 6th.
I can post ratios etc if there's any point.

The X202 VID block appears to have settings for auto box, manual etc.

 

So nothing too special about this car? Since I got my X-type I have really warmed up to the S-Type and considered buying one. I would only want an STR but Im still not ready to give into an automatic. I prefer manual.

I know the X had trans issues and its recommended not to get one, how is the S with their automatics? I would imagine with a supercharged V8 their is a huge amount of stress on the trans and the transfer case.

 

I wish mine was a manual. So my wife wouldn't drive it.

 

The tranny can take a lot more than the unmodded STR can put out.

Unless you're determined to slam it into gears to try to get better 0-60 times or the like I can't really imagine why you'd want a manual!

 

That's the 6speed zf bmw uses in the 5 series cars...
Custom bell housing adapter.. (Unless all the ZF trans bellhousings are the same)
Clutch / slave cylinder / shifter boot / pedal assembly from the manual 3.0
Quick PCM program to tell the car it's a manual... and voila 6 Speed STR

Oh then wake up and wip the drool off your pillow

Take care,

George

 

Not a cheap thing to swap in to see if it happens to work

 

I just bought an 03 with 5 speed. It is a blast to drive.

 

I bought an 03' type manual about 6 months ago, and it is, as MikeWV says, an absolute blast to drive. To clear up a few minor inaccuracies in previous posts, the manual transmission S types (fairly popular in England) are all 5 speeds, and were only available in the States in the 03 and 04 model years. The transmission is the excellent Getrag box used by a number of manufacturers, and is generally trouble free. I had one in an 02 X type, and when that car was totalled last summer, it had 170,000 miles, still on the original clutch!

In the S type, it makes the car substantially quicker than the auto 3.0, gets about 28MPG at 75-80 MPH, but the most important thing is the superb balance of a stickshift S type. Bear in mind the other improvements in the 03 model year, and then add in the lighter V-6 motor and lighter transmission. My car is not so heavily optioned (16" wheels, no nav system or heated seats), but that also means it weighs barely over 3600 lbs, the lighest of any S type variant. The thing is a gas on a twisty road, feeling much smaller and more agile than its size would indicate. A set of Bilsteins and 17" wheels is in the cards, but its great as is.

 

Aren't the diesel manuals 6-speed? (Diesels not available in NAS.)
It's the ZF S6-53, isn't it?

 

Yup. Not sure what year they came out with the 6 speed... But if we are talking a fantasy build, it would make more sense to bolt the diesel manual in. At least you get a full 6 speeds and you know the 6 speed will handle the additional torque of the V8.

So, I feel the need to correct this a little.... And try to figure out something as well....

The transmission in the S Type is not the same one as the X. The X uses a transaxle where the S Type uses a conventional trans. They may have been Getrag boxes in the US. That part I'm not sure of. I'm pretty sure it is the same manual box used in the Lincoln LS from 2000 to 2004(? not sure when it was dropped on the Lincoln).

I was under the belief that the S Type Sport V6 with the manual trans. was available from 2000 alongside the Lincoln LS. I can't seem to find any documentation to prove it, so it may be true that the S Type manual was only available for two model years in the US.. WOW..

A quick search on Auto Trader netted only 5 manual listings in the US, and all of them were 2003's... That is one rare car!