S-Type / S type R Supercharged V8 ( X200 ) 1999 - 2008 2001 - 2009
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

stutter at Idle and when accelerating

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 15, 2013 | 11:59 PM
  #1  
Barry Mapes's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
From: Vancouver Wa
Default stutter at Idle and when accelerating

My Stype has began stuttering at idle and when accelerating normally between 50 and 55 mph w/o a code. I've narrowed it down to bad coils or a vacuum leak and plan on test driving it with an obd2 scanner. What other than the LTFT and STFT should I be looking at?
 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2013 | 02:49 AM
  #2  
JagV8's Avatar
Veteran Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 27,503
Likes: 4,901
From: Yorkshire, England
Default

Mainly LTFT. Don't drive. Do it in Park, warmed up, at idle and at 2500rpm.

95% it'll be a hose elbow (use Search) under manifold. Read existing details if LTFTs show a leak (or anyway, as it'll happen sooner or later).
 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2013 | 06:50 AM
  #3  
Richard Moss's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 158
Likes: 32
From: Abu Dhabi
Default

Mine was hesitating at light throttle settings and at idle. It didn't give any trouble codes but felt through the "backside code reader" like a misfire. I bought 4 coils online, changed a whole bank in one go and the problem is fixed.

I now need to work out which of the original coils is faulty......
 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2013 | 07:22 AM
  #4  
JagV8's Avatar
Veteran Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 27,503
Likes: 4,901
From: Yorkshire, England
Default

Yes - but the 4.0 is not the engine in this thread and does not have the hoses concerned.

The OP could change a bunch of coils for $$$ and get nowhere...
Better to use OBD live data.
 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2013 | 08:05 AM
  #5  
abonano's Avatar
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 4,759
Likes: 1,435
From: Hazlet Township, NJ
Default

You can get a COP tester - you may have just pulled out 3 perfectly functioning coils for no reason. COP tester about $80 (3 new quality coils - not crappy aftermarket China knock offs - about $150 - $180)
 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2013 | 03:12 PM
  #6  
Barry Mapes's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
From: Vancouver Wa
Default

So i did the test as suggested and got these readings
LTFTb1 idle .8 2500rpms -.8
LTFTb2 idle 3.1 2500rpms 2.3

Those are good as far as I can tell.

Thanks for the quick response.
 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2013 | 03:19 PM
  #7  
JagV8's Avatar
Veteran Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 27,503
Likes: 4,901
From: Yorkshire, England
Default

Yep, they're good. Can't see any signs of an air leak. Probably coils or maybe wiring.
 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2013 | 05:08 PM
  #8  
Barry Mapes's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
From: Vancouver Wa
Default

So after researching the scanner I bought I figured out how to pull info from the misfire monitor itself. It's showing misses on my #1 cylinder. That's the one on the passenger side of the car (in the US) closest to the grill correct?
And if so, is there a way to test the coil w/o removing the manifold?
 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2013 | 05:36 PM
  #9  
JagV8's Avatar
Veteran Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 27,503
Likes: 4,901
From: Yorkshire, England
Default

It would be there, yes (pic in Vehicle Spec PDF in stickies).
Only half-way decent tests are COP tester or swap it (maybe with next one i.e. #2 on your era) - you'll need manifold off, sadly.
 
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2013 | 05:55 PM
  #10  
Barry Mapes's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
From: Vancouver Wa
Default

Thanks JagV8. Just means I'll have to wait for the weekend so I have time to test and replace.
 
Reply
Old Sep 17, 2013 | 07:34 AM
  #11  
TonyX's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 336
Likes: 40
From: Michigan
Default

Originally Posted by Barry Mapes
So i did the test as suggested and got these readings
LTFTb1 idle .8 2500rpms -.8
LTFTb2 idle 3.1 2500rpms 2.3

Those are good as far as I can tell.

Thanks for the quick response.
Those are % Fuel Trim values, yes? If so, it might concern me to have consistent 3 - 4 % difference between the two banks. Doesn't this indicate consistent leak on one side(bank 2)?
 
Reply
Old Sep 17, 2013 | 12:50 PM
  #12  
tbird6's Avatar
Veteran Member
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 3,899
Likes: 803
From: Home
Default

The V-6 is known for several problems. Have you checked for oil in the plug wells? The PVC elbows go bad and one side of the engine you can't get to the coils without removing the intake.

It would be worth your while to read up on all this and do the maintenance all at once. I would change all coils and plugs if they have not been done. They are a wear item.
.
.
.
 
Reply
Old Sep 18, 2013 | 06:21 PM
  #13  
Barry Mapes's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
From: Vancouver Wa
Default

yea I have:

coils
plugs
manifold gasket upper and lower
breather elbow
IMT O-ring
valve cover gasket set
spark plug boots

Hopefully I can get this misfire fixed over on friday, so I can play on saturday
 
Reply
Old Sep 19, 2013 | 10:37 AM
  #14  
JagV8's Avatar
Veteran Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 27,503
Likes: 4,901
From: Yorkshire, England
Default

Wouldn't be the first time a new coil was bad so maybe swap it with another and see if fault moves.
 
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2013 | 01:04 AM
  #15  
Barry Mapes's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
From: Vancouver Wa
Default

Just got the car back together today, Misfire's gone and she's running great. Thanks for all the help.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
jimforrest (uk)
XK8 / XKR ( X100 )
22
Feb 28, 2019 06:42 PM
workworkwork
XJS ( X27 )
46
Oct 23, 2015 10:26 AM
tomkilner
XJ XJ6 / XJR6 ( X300 )
16
Oct 9, 2015 07:10 AM
Spazzzzzzzzzy
XJ40 ( XJ81 )
7
Oct 5, 2015 04:05 PM
inactualis
XJ XJ8 / XJR ( X308 )
7
Oct 2, 2015 11:13 AM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:07 AM.