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Old Feb 23, 2018 | 03:55 PM
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Hello everyone,

I have a frustrating issue with my 99' 3.2 Sport which I am hoping some of you knowledge gents may be able to assist me with.

Just before xmas I was driving along, on a very cold day, and my otherwise bullet proof XJ8 cut out. I turned it over and it drove fine for about six miles when it stalled again. The car was recovered to my home and it has not started again since.

My initial suspicion determined the fuel pump was the cause but I have removed and tested it - it works fine. I have tested all the Relays and all appear to be functioning. On inspection of the fuses I found fuse 16 in the left-hand heelboard had blown and, in the Boot/ Trunk/ Luggage Compartment fuse box, fuse No' 3,4,5,6,7,8,11,15,17,19,21 are not receiving power - but the rest are.

Any ideas what could be the cause?


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Tom (newbie)
 
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Old Feb 23, 2018 | 04:15 PM
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If you are driving alonf and the engine dies. Then restarts after a few minutes. I would suspect that the fuel filter is becoming clogged stalling the car and then as debris settles allows restart, to just do it again.
No power to the fuses is probably a separate problem. I'll have to take a look at the diagram and see where it is fed from and what it powers.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2018 | 05:25 PM
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http://www.jagrepair.com/images/Auto.../jagxj1999.pdf

See page 31 and 33

Does the king relay in the corner of the fuse tray click as you turn the key ?
 
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Old Feb 23, 2018 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lady Penelope
http://www.jagrepair.com/images/Auto.../jagxj1999.pdf

See page 31 and 33

Does the king relay in the corner of the fuse tray click as you turn the key ?
Thanks for this. I think I need to check the high power protection module.

Where exactly is the king relay?


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Old Feb 23, 2018 | 05:38 PM
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Hi Tom,

Welcome to the Jaguar Forums. It's great to have you with us.

The first thing I would suggest is that you have the car scanned for any stored diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs), not only the generic Powertrain (P-prefix) codes, but also any proprietary Jaguar Body (B), Chassis (C) and Network (U) codes. Sudden stalling like you are experiencing may trigger codes that will help in the diagnosis. For the capability to read these proprietary Jaguar codes you will need to either visit a Jaguar dealer service department or an independent shop with a diagnostic system capable of reading the Jaguar-specific B, C and U codes. Please write down all codes exactly as they appear and post them here so we can help.

Vern's suspicion of the fuel filter is good.

I also suspect you have an electrical problem. Fuse #16 in the Left Hand Heelboard Fuse Box (LHHFB) provides ignition-switched power to several circuits as well as sections of the Right Hand Heelboard Fuse Box (RHHFB) and the Trunk Fuse Box (TFB). You will have to trace all these circuits to find the cause of the blown fuse, which is why any stored DTCs may be helpful in narrowing down the search.

Note that some of the fuses are ignition-switched and will not have power at their sockets unless the key is in Position II (ON or RUN). A quick glance at the schematics shows that fuses 3, 4 and 5 in the TFB among those, so turn the key on without starting the engine and check them again, and let us know which fuses now have no power, if any.

You can download the Electrical Guide for your car here:

Jaguar X308 Electrical Guide 1999

In the meantime, please visit the New Member Area - Intro a MUST and post a required introduction so we can learn something about you and your Jaguar and give you a proper welcome.

Please keep us informed.

Cheers,

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Old Feb 23, 2018 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Don B
Hi Tom,

Welcome to the Jaguar Forums. It's great to have you with us.

The first thing I would suggest is that you have the car scanned for any stored diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs), not only the generic Powertrain (P-prefix) codes, but also any proprietary Jaguar Body (B), Chassis (C) and Network (U) codes. Sudden stalling like you are experiencing may trigger codes that will help in the diagnosis. For the capability to read these proprietary Jaguar codes you will need to either visit a Jaguar dealer service department or an independent shop with a diagnostic system capable of reading the Jaguar-specific B, C and U codes. Please write down all codes exactly as they appear and post them here so we can help.

Vern's suspicion of the fuel filter is good.

I also suspect you have an electrical problem. Fuse #16 in the Left Hand Heelboard Fuse Box (LHHFB) provides ignition-switched power to several circuits as well as sections of the Right Hand Heelboard Fuse Box (RHHFB) and the Trunk Fuse Box (TFB). You will have to trace all these circuits to find the cause of the blown fuse, which is why any stored DTCs may be helpful in narrowing down the search.

Note that some of the fuses are ignition-switched and will not have power at their sockets unless the key is in Position II (ON or RUN). A quick glance at the schematics shows that fuses 3, 4 and 5 in the TFB among those, so turn the key on without starting the engine and check them again, and let us know which fuses now have no power, if any.

You can download the Electrical Guide for your car here:

Jaguar X308 Electrical Guide 1999

In the meantime, please visit the New Member Area - Intro a MUST and post a required introduction so we can learn something about you and your Jaguar and give you a proper welcome.

Please keep us informed.

Cheers,

Don

Hi Don.

Thanks for your welcome and advice.

I did check the engine codes and received one error - P1230 - which led me to think the fuel pump was the cause of the problem.

I will check the fuses again in the morning as you suggest.


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Tom
 
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Old Feb 23, 2018 | 06:56 PM
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The king ( my term ) is the one in the pic as it powers all the fuses in the tray . Pic is for X300 but X308 is similar .

The fuse for the fuel pump control is # 16 / 10 amp LH Heelboard fuse box . Fuse # 16 is on page 32 of the wiring guide as it goes to point 27 circle double hash marks .

If the king relay clicks with your finger on it and no results , swap with another one with the same part # on the side

If the relay does not click we'll look at the ignition switch which controls the relay by providing it with a ground .

 

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Old Feb 23, 2018 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by thomas1972
I did check the engine codes and received one error - P1230 - which led me to think the fuel pump was the cause of the problem.

P1230 points to the fuel pump relay or its electrical circuit, not the pump itself. Here's the definition from the DTC Summaries, which you can download at the link below. It's important to refer to the Jaguar documentation since Jaguar's definitions and possible causes often differ from those on generic OBDII code lists.



Jaguar X308 DTC Summaries 1999

The fuel pump relay is in the TFB. The relay Lady P is describing in the LHHFB is the Ignition On relay.



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Old Feb 23, 2018 | 08:18 PM
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The king relay is the Auxiliary Positive relay for the Trunk fuses and the Ignition Positive relay is the king relay for the LH Heelboard fuse box where fuse # 16 is ( but it was blown ) . My pic is way off

Might simply be to replace the fuse and see if it duplicates and blows again . Correct size ?

After that unplug :

Point 19 and 20 / Both L and R rear seat heater timers

18 / Clean the OBD 2 connector port

17 / Stability traction light and seat heater status light on the center console - not practical

16 / Transmission dual linear switch - not practical

15 / Sport mode switch light

14 / Gear selector illumination

13 / Interior rear view mirror

27 / Heated backlight relay

27 / # 1 Fuel pump relay

27 / # 2 fuel pump relay ( not installed on normally aspirated engine )

Easiest thing would be to swap the # 1 fuel pump relay

If you want to cut the problem in half you can cut the White / Slate wire after the CAS8 splice and before the CA20 connector as 14 - 17 are not critical ( ? )except for the 16 transmission duel linear switch

For a quick fix you can jumper the fuel pump relay power sockets with a heavy short wire and some blade connectors to not damage the relay sockets . This is a high current arcing hazard so disconnect the battery first and reconnect last . Gets you back on the road . The fuel pump relay power fuse is after the relay going to the connector so keep that in mine .
 
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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 08:10 PM
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Editing corrected on above post
 
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