2002 Jaguar X-Type No Start problem
#1
2002 Jaguar X-Type No Start problem
I have in a 2003 Jaguar X-type. It is a non starter.
The problems are;
*there is no communication at the OBD DLC. The obd reader cannot read codes whatsoever.
*The display meant for the mileage in the instrument cluster shows dashes only(=====)
*The auto box lever cannot be moved from part sometimes, some others it can be moved.
However, the immobilizer light goes off when the ignition is turned on
All the lights in the dash come on.
I have tried checking the CAN Bus, the SCP, the Serial Data connector, etc. They seem to communicate with each other, unless I do not know what exactly I was looking out for.
Your help is much anticipated and appreciated.
The problems are;
*there is no communication at the OBD DLC. The obd reader cannot read codes whatsoever.
*The display meant for the mileage in the instrument cluster shows dashes only(=====)
*The auto box lever cannot be moved from part sometimes, some others it can be moved.
However, the immobilizer light goes off when the ignition is turned on
All the lights in the dash come on.
I have tried checking the CAN Bus, the SCP, the Serial Data connector, etc. They seem to communicate with each other, unless I do not know what exactly I was looking out for.
Your help is much anticipated and appreciated.
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dharry078 (12-12-2018)
#4
It doesn't extinguish, it remains illuminated. The immo light goes out too.
Would a faulty fuel cut off switch stop it from cranking? Only if it does crank, but the mileage display brings only dashes.
I got a couple of wiring diagrams, but all seem to be inaccurate. I need to know which wires exactly to check for the CAN BUS(twisted yellow and green) Serial data link(white), SCP(????) and D2B(???)
I need to know where each one should go and from where? Currently, I tried to follow up the CAN Bus wires, the communication between the J-GATE and the AC is problematic, cannot seem to find it, and the same applies from the JGATE to Transmission control module.
Will appreciate any assistance to that effect. The wiring schematics for the 2003 Jaguar X-Type, 2.0 Litres, with automatic climate control.
Another issue perhaps worth pointing out is that the radio display says 'Climate Control Fault, Visit dealer' Could that be a problem causing all this?
I need to know the PIN OUT for Navigation SYSTEM, AC, Transmission Control, Engine Control, General Electric Module, J-Gate, Instrument Cluster.
NB: Thank you for your time to respond to my querry.
Would a faulty fuel cut off switch stop it from cranking? Only if it does crank, but the mileage display brings only dashes.
I got a couple of wiring diagrams, but all seem to be inaccurate. I need to know which wires exactly to check for the CAN BUS(twisted yellow and green) Serial data link(white), SCP(????) and D2B(???)
I need to know where each one should go and from where? Currently, I tried to follow up the CAN Bus wires, the communication between the J-GATE and the AC is problematic, cannot seem to find it, and the same applies from the JGATE to Transmission control module.
Will appreciate any assistance to that effect. The wiring schematics for the 2003 Jaguar X-Type, 2.0 Litres, with automatic climate control.
Another issue perhaps worth pointing out is that the radio display says 'Climate Control Fault, Visit dealer' Could that be a problem causing all this?
I need to know the PIN OUT for Navigation SYSTEM, AC, Transmission Control, Engine Control, General Electric Module, J-Gate, Instrument Cluster.
NB: Thank you for your time to respond to my querry.
#5
The pinouts are generally in the electrical guide.
Those dashes suggest something is very badly wrong. The other faults suggest overall something like a major harness is chafed / disconnected / mouse-eaten / etc. Or someone's monkeyed with the car in a stupid manner. You're looking at a very weird situation.
Those dashes suggest something is very badly wrong. The other faults suggest overall something like a major harness is chafed / disconnected / mouse-eaten / etc. Or someone's monkeyed with the car in a stupid manner. You're looking at a very weird situation.
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dharry078 (12-13-2018)
#6
The pinouts are generally in the electrical guide.
Those dashes suggest something is very badly wrong. The other faults suggest overall something like a major harness is chafed / disconnected / mouse-eaten / etc. Or someone's monkeyed with the car in a stupid manner. You're looking at a very weird situation.
Those dashes suggest something is very badly wrong. The other faults suggest overall something like a major harness is chafed / disconnected / mouse-eaten / etc. Or someone's monkeyed with the car in a stupid manner. You're looking at a very weird situation.
One other question, where is the AC control module located?
I happen to have looked for it in vain. I just saw a yellow connector hanging wrapped in some sort of tape. It goes know where, but has CanBus wires go and comeout of it, just near the transmission control module location
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dharry078 (12-14-2018)
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Thank you gents.
I was able to do dome trouble shooting and eventually connected to the car network.
I did find a cocktail of error codes, of which i wished to share here for other opinions.
P1146
P1260-theft detected
P1582-Electronic throttle monitor data available
P1629- Generator Front Right line failure
P0102 - IAT circuit low input
P1532 - VariableInduction system 2 low/high input
P1643 - CAN Link Engine Control Module/Transmission Control Module circuit /Network
P1699 CAN Link engine Control Module/Climate Control Module
P0112
P1000
P1638
P1030
P3000
P5900
Your valued and experienced opinion is warmly anticipated.
Regards
I was able to do dome trouble shooting and eventually connected to the car network.
I did find a cocktail of error codes, of which i wished to share here for other opinions.
P1146
P1260-theft detected
P1582-Electronic throttle monitor data available
P1629- Generator Front Right line failure
P0102 - IAT circuit low input
P1532 - VariableInduction system 2 low/high input
P1643 - CAN Link Engine Control Module/Transmission Control Module circuit /Network
P1699 CAN Link engine Control Module/Climate Control Module
P0112
P1000
P1638
P1030
P3000
P5900
Your valued and experienced opinion is warmly anticipated.
Regards
#10
I think P1146 = problem with generator (i.e. alternator) circuit - see JagRepair.com - Jaguar Repair Information Resource for codes info
With so many it's worth clearing them, make sure as in 100% that the battery is good and then see which come back.
With so many it's worth clearing them, make sure as in 100% that the battery is good and then see which come back.
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dharry078 (12-14-2018)
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Hi, I need assistance regarding the actual location of the 2003 Jaguar X-type 2.0 automatic Climate Control Module with Navigation. I was made to believe that it is found in the passenger side dashboard just below the airbag, but i only see one free yellow plug.
Does the radio head unit incorporate the climate control module? Thank you.
Does the radio head unit incorporate the climate control module? Thank you.
#12
Thank you gents.
I was able to do dome trouble shooting and eventually connected to the car network.
I did find a cocktail of error codes, of which i wished to share here for other opinions.
P1146
P1260-theft detected
P1582-Electronic throttle monitor data available
P1629- Generator Front Right line failure
P0102 - IAT circuit low input
P1532 - VariableInduction system 2 low/high input
P1643 - CAN Link Engine Control Module/Transmission Control Module circuit /Network
P1699 CAN Link engine Control Module/Climate Control Module
P0112
P1000
P1638
P1030
P3000
P5900
Your valued and experienced opinion is warmly anticipated.
Regards
I was able to do dome trouble shooting and eventually connected to the car network.
I did find a cocktail of error codes, of which i wished to share here for other opinions.
P1146
P1260-theft detected
P1582-Electronic throttle monitor data available
P1629- Generator Front Right line failure
P0102 - IAT circuit low input
P1532 - VariableInduction system 2 low/high input
P1643 - CAN Link Engine Control Module/Transmission Control Module circuit /Network
P1699 CAN Link engine Control Module/Climate Control Module
P0112
P1000
P1638
P1030
P3000
P5900
Your valued and experienced opinion is warmly anticipated.
Regards
The error codes that returned are P1643 and P1699.
I also are having trouble finding out why the Climate Control Module is not connected. The error I get is 'climate control module error' on the display.
I have looked for the climate control module and have failed to get it. The car has Navigation.
Regards
#14
Were there any unique circumstances when this situation first came up? Like was it running perfectly fine and then all of a sudden you hopped in and tried to start it nothing happened? Any work done to the car when this happened or just before? When you turn the key to start it does the engine crank, but no fire? Or do you get no response at all?
What is the condition of the battery? If it is not outputting the correct voltage you can have all kinds of codes come up. Best way to verify is to have the battery load tested.There would not necessarily be any kind of warning sign the battery is going bad. Make sure the battery is good first.
When this situation came up you didn't happen to have the radio out of the car, ddi you? If so, that could be the reason it is not starting now.
Any other specifics you can share about when this happened? Anything you have done since this first came up to try and fix it?
You might want to delete all the codes you have and then try and start it again and see what comes up. That way, you know what codes are active now instead of seeing something that could be very old and already addressed.
What is the condition of the battery? If it is not outputting the correct voltage you can have all kinds of codes come up. Best way to verify is to have the battery load tested.There would not necessarily be any kind of warning sign the battery is going bad. Make sure the battery is good first.
When this situation came up you didn't happen to have the radio out of the car, ddi you? If so, that could be the reason it is not starting now.
Any other specifics you can share about when this happened? Anything you have done since this first came up to try and fix it?
You might want to delete all the codes you have and then try and start it again and see what comes up. That way, you know what codes are active now instead of seeing something that could be very old and already addressed.
#15
Were there any unique circumstances when this situation first came up? Like was it running perfectly fine and then all of a sudden you hopped in and tried to start it nothing happened? Any work done to the car when this happened or just before? When you turn the key to start it does the engine crank, but no fire? Or do you get no response at all?
What is the condition of the battery? If it is not outputting the correct voltage you can have all kinds of codes come up. Best way to verify is to have the battery load tested.There would not necessarily be any kind of warning sign the battery is going bad. Make sure the battery is good first.
When this situation came up you didn't happen to have the radio out of the car, ddi you? If so, that could be the reason it is not starting now.
Any other specifics you can share about when this happened? Anything you have done since this first came up to try and fix it?
You might want to delete all the codes you have and then try and start it again and see what comes up. That way, you know what codes are active now instead of seeing something that could be very old and already addressed.
What is the condition of the battery? If it is not outputting the correct voltage you can have all kinds of codes come up. Best way to verify is to have the battery load tested.There would not necessarily be any kind of warning sign the battery is going bad. Make sure the battery is good first.
When this situation came up you didn't happen to have the radio out of the car, ddi you? If so, that could be the reason it is not starting now.
Any other specifics you can share about when this happened? Anything you have done since this first came up to try and fix it?
You might want to delete all the codes you have and then try and start it again and see what comes up. That way, you know what codes are active now instead of seeing something that could be very old and already addressed.
Client brought the car to me late last year. Said it was driving fine and this problem always happened intermittently, and car would start soon enough always after a day.
The all of a sudden, it happened again, he tried it after a day, it never started, and days to weeks, then months.
That is all I have at the moment. Well, the radio is still in there, but there had been attempts to modify the radio input to include USB outputs. Client says he bought the car like that and he had driven it for a year without problems.
I tried to check the CAN Bus, everything seemed to check out, then went to SCP, and here, the only problem was the climate control module which I could not seem to find.
#17
Thanks mate, I eventually found it, stacked away above the driver's left knee. Now that I found it, and the car still brings about 'Climate Control Communication Fault' I will proceed later to trouble shoot it.
Something interesting today happened, I happened to pull out the plugs from CENTRAL LOCK ALARM BODY CONTROL ECU MODULE , one by one, When I did unplug the second plug with IPL written in the plug, the immobilizer light started blinking fast(immobilized), but the surprising thing is that the mileage display started showing the mileage again, without the dashes. When I put back the plug, the immobilizer light extinguishes, and the dashes return to the mileage display.
Now, that got me wondering, what am I looking at?
DTC P1638
regards
Something interesting today happened, I happened to pull out the plugs from CENTRAL LOCK ALARM BODY CONTROL ECU MODULE , one by one, When I did unplug the second plug with IPL written in the plug, the immobilizer light started blinking fast(immobilized), but the surprising thing is that the mileage display started showing the mileage again, without the dashes. When I put back the plug, the immobilizer light extinguishes, and the dashes return to the mileage display.
Now, that got me wondering, what am I looking at?
DTC P1638
regards
#18
hey dharry078. did you ever have any luck? i'm currently having a simialr problem with my 04 3.0 xtype.
no start / no crank
dashes where the milage was.
j gate wont move out of park ( unless done manually )
also getting the
p1643 - ecm / tcm module netwrok can error
p1699 - ecm / climate control / can link ecm module / Rcc network malfunction.
thanks
no start / no crank
dashes where the milage was.
j gate wont move out of park ( unless done manually )
also getting the
p1643 - ecm / tcm module netwrok can error
p1699 - ecm / climate control / can link ecm module / Rcc network malfunction.
thanks
#19
hey dharry078. did you ever have any luck? i'm currently having a simialr problem with my 04 3.0 xtype.
no start / no crank
dashes where the milage was.
j gate wont move out of park ( unless done manually )
also getting the
p1643 - ecm / tcm module netwrok can error
p1699 - ecm / climate control / can link ecm module / Rcc network malfunction.
thanks
no start / no crank
dashes where the milage was.
j gate wont move out of park ( unless done manually )
also getting the
p1643 - ecm / tcm module netwrok can error
p1699 - ecm / climate control / can link ecm module / Rcc network malfunction.
thanks
Regards
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