2001 3.0L automatic X-Type, 100 000km / 60 000 miles



Well the title about sums up what I'm experiencing. Recently I changed the transmisison fluid, typically black fluid came out, Castrol Transmax Multivehicle went back in, litre in for each litre out. I ran the engine for 14 seconds between each drain/fill cycle. I haven't performed a fluid level check as yet.


The car seemed to do everything right around town and at city speeds (60km/hr - 40m/hr). Heading out of town in a 70km/hr - 45m/hr zone I started going up a fairly steep hill and as the gearbox changed down from 5th to 4th the gearbox fault came up on the dash and it was as if I had selected neutral in a manual box. It slipped for a bit then I went over the hill and rolled down the other side. Turning off the highway and slowing down the gearbox picked a lower gear and we were driving again still with the gearbox fault showing. I drove back into and across town to add fuel and when I got out I could detect a burnt smell. I got home alright but decided not to use the car until I had changed the transfer case fluid.



Today I changed the transfer case fluid and went for a test drive. Again everything around town was fine changing up and down through the gears relatively smoothly until I came to the same hill and experienced the same result. Coming straight home instead of going for fuel I encoutered a few more hills and every one was like trying to drive in neutral. Engine revs would pick up and just keep climbing as the throttle was applied but no drive at all, like pushing in the clutch in a manual and hitting the loud pedal.


I found if I selected third with the J gate shifter it would engage and cycle through 4th and 5th when D was selected, but each hill ascent produced the same now predictable result. Returning home saw the return of the burnt smell.


The only code thrown was P1647, along with the gearbox fault on the dash along with the amber light.

 

You did use Castrol Transmax IMPORT multicar? There are 2.

 

I searched through the Castrol Australia lubrication guide (http://www.datateck.com.au/lube/castr_au/) and was able to select 2001 Jaguar X-Type 3.0L. The result listed 8.8L of:




CASTROL TRANSMAX MULTIVEHICLE
A premium synthetic automatic transmission fluid specifically designed for use in vehicles with automatic transmissions made by Asian vehicle and transmission manufacturers which typically have higher anti-shudder performance requirements than most European or US designed automatic transmissions. Castrol Transmax Multivehicle was designed to meet the Japanese Automobile Standards Organisation performance needs (JASO 1A) which is recognised by most Japanese Automobile Manufacturers.

https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/F...PXE-ABXERW.pdf


Is this the wrong stuff to use? Searching the Castrol Australia website just now for Transmax Import Multivehicle didn't return a listing. Searching overseas websites I find both as you say.

 

It HAS to be the IMPORT I verified this directly with Castrol. If you search my name and transmission change and type, there are detailed discussions and instructions.

Idk, about availability in Australia, but it ABSOLUTELY MUST be the IMPORT one for our Jags.

 

I looked at the specs (Australia vs Import) for each and they do have differences.

IMPORT =



Australia multivehicle =

 

Here is the definitive bottom line answer you need to check/look for. If the fluid meets this spec regardless of manufacturer (Amsoil, Castrol, etc.) it meets Jaguar specs for our transmissions.

Idemitsu K17 spec

 

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...-price-183651/

 

Today I contacted Castrol Australia querying their recommendation of product for my vehicle. It will be interesting to see what they make of the situation.

 

Is there a Castrol US lubricant guide for finding the right product for any specific car? Castrol Australia tell me that what I have used is right, they tell me that they checked with Jaguar.

 

Not trying to beat a dead horse, but =

Swingwing's response to my query on this exact concern =

Idemitsu K17 is the spec you're looking for on the back label or company's data bulletin

Read any brand's label or data sheet, if it lists this spec it's correct for the Jatco 506E transmission in our Jags. If this spec is not listed, DO NOT use it.

 

Here are the data sheets =
The one you used from the Australian site =



Here is the data sheet from U.S.A. Site on IMPORT multivehicle =




Read them both and decide for yourself.

 

Here is Amsoil in Australia =

 

And Amsoil has 2 multivehicle as well. Note the correct one is OE one.

 

Sorry guys, I don't doubt what you are saying not even for a second. I was hoping to beat Castrol's smokescreen with their own information. I can't see me being able to convince them of anything any other way. Unless there is a Jaguar release stating that Idemitsu K17 is what is required. It's going to take something official from Castrol or Jaguar to sway them.

 

Here is the dealer Jaguar product, part #C2S12120, meets Idemitsu K17. On an actual bottle you can read the listed spec.




Here are some other brands listed for Jaguar X type that again list Idemitsu K17 spec right on the bottle or their spec sheet. The product number is Jaguar 8432.












So, it's really pretty simple question and answer they should give you. Does the product you bought and used meet the Idemitsu K17 spec or not?

 

An old post in another Jag forum =


OEM Part Numbers:

AML: 4G4319A509/AA/S
Audi / VW: G 055005 A1 / A2 / A6
Bentley: PY112995PA
BMW: 8322 0142516
Hyundai: 040000C90SG
Jaguar: Jaguar Fluid 8432
Land Rover: TYK500050
Maserati: 231603


As ZF warn us, the use of any other oil risks misbehaviour and even physical damage, because this is an advanced and sensitive box. Yes, it is meant to scare us into using ZF oil and parts exclusively..

The Jaguar part number for the oil is "Jaguar Fluid 8432". Call your dealer for a price for the 7 litres you will need so you can compare. Land Rover are currently selling their TYK500050 for £24.27 per litre.

 

Ok, here you go. Read page #3 of this technical service bulletin (TSB) directly from Jaguar in needs to meet the spec.

 

That is exactly the sort of document I was hoping would be available for when I next speak with the Castrol representative. I'll let you know how it goes, thanks so much. I reckon I'll still be lucky for them to refund what I spent or replace it with a fluid of the correct spec, much less have my gearbox checked to ensure there is no damage done.


I guess the cherry on top of the dessert would be a Castrol lubricant guide listing Transmax Import Multivehicle as the correct fluid, but I'll box on with what I have now. Thanks again.

 

These are Castrol data sheets right off their own company web site. The first pic is their multivehical one, notice no listed spec for Jaguar or idemitsu k17.
The second pic is their IMPORT multivehicle, notice the idemitsu k17 spec listed.

 

After going around in circles with Castrol (they did say I could have a Jaguar Service Department check the vehicle for error codes) I decided to cut my losses with the product I bought and find another that meets the Idemitsu K17 spec. I picked up 20L of Nulon Full Synthetic Multi-Vehicle Automatic Transmisison Fluid, the bottle/drum doesn't show the specification but the website does. The retailer where I purchased it checked a number of different products he stocked but this was the one that met the specification and that he had in stock. Today I thought I would try to drive the car to heat up the fluid for the drain/replacement of the fluid. At the end of the driveway after I was causing a hazzard I discovered that there was no drive to the wheels at all in any gear. I arranged a tow truck to get me back in the driveway where I could drain and replace the ATF. After draining and refilling the transmission 4 times, measuring as I went, I tested the car back and forth in the driveway. It seemed to be playing the game but then after I drove forward to where I had started it refused to reverse. I checked drive to see if it would try to pull forward but it wouldn't. As yet I haven't performed the procedure for the level check. Is that the next logical step? Is there something that I am missing? Has my gearbox been damaged by running the incorrect fluid?