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Old Apr 29, 2022 | 01:18 PM
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So I ran into some bad luck in the form of a truck with unsecured furniture, and my new Jaguar x-type wagon (90k miles) looks like it's going to be totalled by the insurance company, as the estimate from the body shop came to over $9000. The damage is mainly the bumper cover, the bar inside the bumper, the radiator, and the condenser. They also have the lights all listed for replacement as well (though they seem to work)


I love this car, and this estimate seems really high to me. The insurance company has valued the car at about 9k. But I'm leery of getting a salvage/rebuild title. On the other hand, I love the wagon and they're really really hard to find, and a certain amount of the work might be able to be done by friends/family. The only similar cars I've been able to find are on the east coast and I worry about rust.

What do you all think? What would you do?
 
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Old Apr 29, 2022 | 03:44 PM
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My 2 1/2 cents =

If they pay you $9,000, ask them what they will let you buy the car for (usually a fraction of the buy out, like 5-10%). Fix the car (yes, even with a salvage title) & drive it until it dies. If you like the car, a salvage title only affects getting rid of it at the end of it's life. Probably not a huge consequence at that time?
 
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Old Apr 29, 2022 | 04:43 PM
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I'm with Dell on this one, especially if the airbags didn't fire. My car is a twin to yours, with some looking around it's not too hard to find body panels/bumpers in the correct Quartz Gray color that yours seems to be as well, making a repair even easier (I've been collecting a few). If it was the other end that was damaged that'd be harder although I've come across two X-wagons in self serve junkyards over the last six months but even with that they were quite common overseas so even those parts aren't overly difficult to source with shipping being the biggest cost.

All of the other front end stuff is very easy to find (bumper bar, radiator, condensor).

$9000 payout minus whatever the buyback is plus a little for parts and time and boom, you're back in business with likely a $7,000 bonus. Even sourcing, painting, and fitting a new bumper cover is likely to be under $1,000 if finding a used one is too much trouble. Just takes a little shopping around.

 
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Old Apr 29, 2022 | 06:04 PM
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Thanks! I confirmed with the insurance company that for $200 the car is mine. (The pay out is actually $8000, based on x-type sedans). I may see if I can get them to go up a bit just in case- a wagon with 50k miles went for $19k last year, and there's a 65k miles one on the east coast for $13k
 
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Old Apr 29, 2022 | 06:09 PM
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Wow, that's great. Take it. Yours seems to be the more premium of the wagons like mine with the silver roof rails. There was a more basic version in the US with black rails, no navigation, no subwoofer etc. If you have all that yours is higher up the pecking order and perhaps worthy of a higher payout. There were 1602 wagons sold vs around 100k sedans so they are quite rare. Rare doesn't mean valuable per se but does make them a bit more desirable to some and clean ones are harder to find.

If you end up buying it and for whatever reason not fixing it after all, I'd certainly be interested in at least some pieces off yours. Not to be the vulture, but... :-)

Good luck!
 
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Old Apr 30, 2022 | 08:05 AM
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Novium, I am with the others. Yes, there will be a little bit of sweat equity into the car, but the repairs are fairly easy to do, especially if you do them all at the same time. Do some looking, see if you can find a donor that has all the parts so you can pick them up and do it all in 1 shot. Now, you will need to pay to have someone refill your A/C system (most people don't have the necessary equipment since you need to draw a near perfect vacuum prior to refilling). But, that is fairly cheap.

Like was said, the price of the car is not going to matter to you until you sell it and it sounds like you are going to sell it when it is only going to have a few thousand dollar value at best.
 
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Old May 2, 2022 | 04:32 PM
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Novium, I am with the others. Yes, there will be a little bit of sweat equity into the car, but the repairs are fairly easy to do, especially if you do them all at the same time. Do some looking, see if you can find a donor that has all the parts so you can pick them up and do it all in 1 shot. Now, you will need to pay to have someone refill your A/C system (most people don't have the necessary equipment since you need to draw a near perfect vacuum prior to refilling). But, that is fairly cheap.

Like was said, the price of the car is not going to matter to you until you sell it and it sounds like you are going to sell it when it is only going to have a few thousand dollar value at best.
Got some more information from the shop, and they said they're seeing these errors:

C1924 /c1922 something about power steering?

As well as one about a short in the parking sensor sounder, but I think that's probably not accident related.

How severe of a problem is this likely?
 
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Old May 2, 2022 | 05:17 PM
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Those codes would indicate you have a problem with the electronic drive to the variable power steering assist transducer, which regulates power steering fluid movement in rack depending on your road speed.
Unusually you are getting both an open circuit error code (C1922) and short circuit to ground error code (C1924), so it might be worth checking the integrity of that wiring pair to the transducer for any accident related pinching or dislodging due to recovery or inspection processes.
That transducer (servo) is located in the steering rack assembly (picture below) and is driven from the instrument cluster via a red and a blue wire that passes through plug JB130 (pins 2 and 3) , then plug JB145 (pins 2 and 3) arriving finally at the transducer plug EM91 (schematic section inserted below).
The transducer part number is C2S12020.



 
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Old May 2, 2022 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by h2o2steam
Those codes would indicate you have a problem with the electronic drive to the variable power steering assist transducer, which regulates power steering fluid movement in rack depending on your road speed.

Thank you! In terms of the fix/don't fix question, how much do you think this will affect the cost/difficulty of repair? Is this likely to be one of those wiring nightmares?
 
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Old May 2, 2022 | 06:24 PM
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novium, I bet you could get a good used rack for your car for around $150. a few bolts and out comes the rack. Reconnect the hoses, fill with fluid and turn the steering wheels back and forth a few times, filling as needed. Should be fairly easy to do. If you go after the servo only and try to solve the problem at the lowest/smallest part, might save you some money, but may take a bit of time to figure out.

As for the parking sensor, you have some significant damage to the bumper cover and you may have damaged a wire to a sensor. Pick up a good bumper cover and make sure it comes with the wiring harness. Even if that harness is $50, it will be money well spent. As I recall, there is a separate harness that runs across the whole bumper cover. Unplugs near the driver's front wheel as I recall.
 
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Old May 2, 2022 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Thermo
novium, I bet you could get a good used rack for your car for around $150. a few bolts and out comes the rack. Reconnect the hoses, fill with fluid and turn the steering wheels back and forth a few times, filling as needed. Should be fairly easy to do. If you go after the servo only and try to solve the problem at the lowest/smallest part, might save you some money, but may take a bit of time to figure out.

As for the parking sensor, you have some significant damage to the bumper cover and you may have damaged a wire to a sensor. Pick up a good bumper cover and make sure it comes with the wiring harness. Even if that harness is $50, it will be money well spent. As I recall, there is a separate harness that runs across the whole bumper cover. Unplugs near the driver's front wheel as I recall.
Thank you! One question about the parking sensor: the car only has parking sensors in the back, not on the front bumper, would the front bumper still affect the wiring in that case?
 
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Old May 2, 2022 | 08:01 PM
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Parking sensor sounder is in the rear parcel shelf.





Note = you did say sounder, different than module, bumper sensors, etc.
 
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Old May 2, 2022 | 08:09 PM
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Used example =



Fully reconditioned ones run about $350 and new dealer is $4,300.
 
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Old May 2, 2022 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Dell Gailey
Parking sensor sounder is in the rear parcel shelf.





Note = you did say sounder, different than module, bumper sensors, etc.
Yeah, that's what they said, anyway. C1743. But it hasn't been working anyway.
 
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Old May 3, 2022 | 05:21 PM
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Got a bit closer look at the damage, still kind of puzzled and worried about the steering error codes. I guess there's a plug for the actuator behind the wheel shield things? We'll have to look, can't see anything yet, but supposedly the shields were damaged too.
This part is very crunched. Does any one know what it is called?

Closer look at the crunched bit




 
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Old May 12, 2022 | 12:18 PM
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They totaled if because it's too much potential headache to fix an older car. They don't want an endless stream of complaints about new squeaks, etc.

They gave it to you cheap because it saves them a lot of headache and expense to just leave it where it is, instead of going through the process of picking it up, storing it and auctioning it.

I don't know what the current doctrine is from Sacramento (are they still trying to junk every car old enough to have been paid off?), but here in Nevada, a Salvage title is just a warning to potential buyers that the vehicle was written off and rebuilt. Keep copies of the damage pics and list of the things you do to it, and that should reassure anyone you try to sell it to.

I paid that same $200 for an X Type sedan that had been driven into a fencepost. I plan to pull the transfer case to put into my own Estate, then sell my sedans. Hey, you know what you call a wrecked Jaguar that you're parting out? KITTY LITTER!

In your case, it appears that have the world's first IKEA X Type, having crossed furniture with a Jaguar . . .

Fortunately, the damage was to parts common to all X Types (not just wagons), so no matter what you need to do, you will come out way ahead, with cash in your pocket, and still have the car that you like so much.
 

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Old May 13, 2022 | 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Sone
They totaled if because it's too much potential headache to fix an older car. They don't want an endless stream of complaints about new squeaks, etc.

They gave it to you cheap because it saves them a lot of headache and expense to just leave it where it is, instead of going through the process of picking it up, storing it and auctioning it.

I don't know what the current doctrine is from Sacramento (are they still trying to junk every car old enough to have been paid off?), but here in Nevada, a Salvage title is just a warning to potential buyers that the vehicle was written off and rebuilt. Keep copies of the damage pics and list of the things you do to it, and that should reassure anyone you try to sell it to.

I paid that same $200 for an X Type sedan that had been driven into a fencepost. I plan to pull the transfer case to put into my own Estate, then sell my sedans. Hey, you know what you call a wrecked Jaguar that you're parting out? KITTY LITTER!

In your case, it appears that have the world's first IKEA X Type, having crossed furniture with a Jaguar . . .

Fortunately, the damage was to parts common to all X Types (not just wagons), so no matter what you need to do, you will come out way ahead, with cash in your pocket, and still have the car that you like so much.
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Thank you! I've told myself that if the price to fix it stays low enough, I may splurge and get it painted red. Or maybe blue.
Since it sounds like you've been down this road a time or two, do you know if the bumpers are interchangeable from year to year? The guys down at Jag Heaven say their book says not, that I need to find a post 2005 bumper (of which they have none) or something, but from the photos, they surely do look very similar.
 
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Old May 13, 2022 | 03:39 AM
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This ad has 12 photos of a 2003 front bumper from different angles/ views. Part number c2s25399XXX Where xxx is the paint code.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/403217234...EAAOSwLU9hYEum
2005 model part number is c2s27957XXX

2007 pics
https://www.ebay.com/itm/18513830972...oAAOSwRvBhft0F

the "crunched" parts are these =








 
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