ECU tune impact on warranty
#41
It is POINTLESS flashing the car back to stock for a visit to the dealer.
Once the "non OEM calibration" code is set, it is there forever, it cannot be deleted, and actually it get's reset new every time the ECU is flashed, even with a stock tune, even using the dealers diagnostic tool. (the time/date and mileage for when the code was triggered updates with each flash).
You cannot hide it, it will always be there.
So actually if you flash the stock tune back in the day before you take the car to the dealer, they will see the date/time of the code as yesterday, which makes it even more obvious that you're trying to hide it.
Once the "non OEM calibration" code is set, it is there forever, it cannot be deleted, and actually it get's reset new every time the ECU is flashed, even with a stock tune, even using the dealers diagnostic tool. (the time/date and mileage for when the code was triggered updates with each flash).
You cannot hide it, it will always be there.
So actually if you flash the stock tune back in the day before you take the car to the dealer, they will see the date/time of the code as yesterday, which makes it even more obvious that you're trying to hide it.
#42
It is POINTLESS flashing the car back to stock for a visit to the dealer.
Once the "non OEM calibration" code is set, it is there forever, it cannot be deleted, and actually it get's reset new every time the ECU is flashed, even with a stock tune, even using the dealers diagnostic tool. (the time/date and mileage for when the code was triggered updates with each flash).
You cannot hide it, it will always be there.
So actually if you flash the stock tune back in the day before you take the car to the dealer, they will see the date/time of the code as yesterday, which makes it even more obvious that you're trying to hide it.
Once the "non OEM calibration" code is set, it is there forever, it cannot be deleted, and actually it get's reset new every time the ECU is flashed, even with a stock tune, even using the dealers diagnostic tool. (the time/date and mileage for when the code was triggered updates with each flash).
You cannot hide it, it will always be there.
So actually if you flash the stock tune back in the day before you take the car to the dealer, they will see the date/time of the code as yesterday, which makes it even more obvious that you're trying to hide it.
Even if it is done as a 'flash as new' update, if the car is not put back to stock prior to the update, then the programmer is not able to be erased, read with the new software version and the tune updated. Now the programmer is bricked.
So we STRONGLY recommend all our customers return to original programming before dealer visits.
Beyond that, what you're saying isn't untrue about detect-ability, but nonetheless I would still rather not have the file on the car at the time. For several reasons we have mentioned, including the fact that non dealer diagnostic software can throw the same code so there is some plausible deniability.
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alphakinase (01-31-2017)
#44
#46
The VAP tune is much stronger than a piggyback. I had a piggyback on my 2014 Audi S4 which made an increase from 335hp to about 375. It was good but not always smooth. It took minutes to put it on or take it off. I have the VAP on my R Sport which has move it from 340 to 420 hp or so. The impact is major on the Jag. Way smoother than a piggyback and I believe much more power. My car was quick before now it is very very strong. Considering the number of guys that have put the VAP tune on the 340 hp without an issue why bother with the piggyback.
#47
I have the VAP tune on mine as well and to be honest I am not sure I can tell any difference in power. Maybe I didn't push it enough before or maybe its just me with bad judgement which is very possible. I am going to wait till a dealer visit to switch to original file and see if I can tell the difference then.
#48
I have the VAP tune on mine as well and to be honest I am not sure I can tell any difference in power. Maybe I didn't push it enough before or maybe its just me with bad judgement which is very possible. I am going to wait till a dealer visit to switch to original file and see if I can tell the difference then.
#49
I was testing all in Sport mode, but I am not certain I paid close enough attention before the tune and if I really pushed the car much. I thought it was fast before and it is fast now that's the best I can explain it. I hope once I go back it will be more obvious to me.
Last edited by RaffiNJ; 02-25-2017 at 08:01 PM.
#50
I was testing all in Sport mode, but I am not certain I paid close enough attention before the tune and if I really pushed the car much. I thought it was fast before and it is fast now that's the best I can explain it. I hope once I go back it will be more obvious to me.
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VelocityAP Industries Ltd.
O: (1)250-485-5126
E: Stuart@VelocityAP.com
www.velocityap.com
#51
The VAP tune is much stronger than a piggyback. I had a piggyback on my 2014 Audi S4 which made an increase from 335hp to about 375. It was good but not always smooth. It took minutes to put it on or take it off. I have the VAP on my R Sport which has move it from 340 to 420 hp or so. The impact is major on the Jag. Way smoother than a piggyback and I believe much more power. My car was quick before now it is very very strong. Considering the number of guys that have put the VAP tune on the 340 hp without an issue why bother with the piggyback.
#53
I think you will find they are considerably more expensive than that, these days, and more difficult to swap over (electronically, not physically.)
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VelocityAP Industries Ltd.
O: (1)250-485-5126
E: Stuart@VelocityAP.com
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#54
What do you mean by way smoother? What will cause the difference? Just curious. While I intend to get a proper reflash later on down the track once I am sure any build bugs or quality issues are out of the way with the engine, I for one wanted to limit mods to removeable/undetectable piggyback unit while the car/warranty is still very new.
#55
Hey guys thx for the responses. I was thinking of going to talk to a service guy at Hornburg and see how they respond. You never know because like Audi did 2-3 years ago a manufacturer may start to take a stand. Bottom line is that I find one is going to modify a car you have to take some responsibility if there is a major drive train failure.
Living in Los Angeles on the Westside traffic does not allow many opportunities to exercise the car the way it is let adding 70hp. On the other hand for $700 I imagine it really brings the car to life.
Living in Los Angeles on the Westside traffic does not allow many opportunities to exercise the car the way it is let adding 70hp. On the other hand for $700 I imagine it really brings the car to life.
#56
Did you end up going to Hornburg? I'm in the same boat as you, have an ECU upgrade from VAP, but need to take the car in for scheduled maintenance, and Hornburg is the closest to me. Wondering if I need to detune or can just tell them it has it, and if they'll care or not.
#57
Did you end up going to Hornburg? I'm in the same boat as you, have an ECU upgrade from VAP, but need to take the car in for scheduled maintenance, and Hornburg is the closest to me. Wondering if I need to detune or can just tell them it has it, and if they'll care or not.
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VelocityAP Industries Ltd.
O: (1)250-485-5126
E: Stuart@VelocityAP.com
www.velocityap.com
#58
I recently made a post summarizing some of the downsides of tuning. You can find it here: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/f...tuning-206030/