Parking brake fault
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Parking brake fault
i have a parking brake fault error message showing on the dash and I have tried resetting the parking brake to no avail. I have used SDD to read the codes and originally it was showing just one code C1799. But now, having cleared to code a few times and it coming back again, it now appears that there is no code! The parking brake model passes the test with no DTCs at all even though the parking brake still doesn’t work (it shows a message “parking brake fault” in orange with the orange brake warning light when stationary and “Cannot Apply Parking Brake” in red with the flashing red brake warning light and orange brake warning light when the vehicle is in motion. Operating the parking brake switch does nothing. So it appears that there is definitely a fault but there is no DTC recorded! Any ideas? Thanks.
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Well the manual says there are 2 micro switches 1 for apply and 1 for release, and a hall effect sensor "inside the actuator" to ensure a full release of the brakes. The good thing is the Jag can tell you if and, which switch or sensor is bad, but you need a higher level (Dealer level) scanner to see that info. You could try an independent brake specialist. The higher lever scanner I use just came out with their XF parking brake diagnostic program for $50, guess I'll be getting it.
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I just saw you reset it, I didn't know if it was a reset at the faults request, or due to your doing a battery disconnect.
Well the manual says there are 2 micro switches 1 for apply and 1 for release, and a hall effect sensor "inside the actuator" to ensure a full release of the brakes. The good thing is the Jag can tell you if and, which switch or sensor is bad, but you need a higher level (Dealer level) scanner to see that info. You could try an independent brake specialist. The higher lever scanner I use just came out with their XF parking brake diagnostic program for $50, guess I'll be getting it.
Well the manual says there are 2 micro switches 1 for apply and 1 for release, and a hall effect sensor "inside the actuator" to ensure a full release of the brakes. The good thing is the Jag can tell you if and, which switch or sensor is bad, but you need a higher level (Dealer level) scanner to see that info. You could try an independent brake specialist. The higher lever scanner I use just came out with their XF parking brake diagnostic program for $50, guess I'll be getting it.
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I have tried replacing the parking brake actuator with a secondhand unit which I am assured was working on the donor car, and still have exactly the same problem. Still the same code comes up C1799, intermittently, but the fault is still exactly as stated previously. I have run the parking brake module test routine and it seems to pass that without any DTCs being produced. So now I am a little stumped! Any suggestions anyone?
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Does anyone have the pinpoint testing information to investigate the C1799 DTC please. I have a wiring diagram and can trace the wires to check continuity, etc., but I’m assuming there is also voltage/resistance readings to test for as well and this information is not in the service/electrical repair manuals. Can anyone help with this data please?
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I don’t see this information anywhere in the XF manual. Can you tell me where in there it is? I know there is a diagnostic table but when it comes to testing it doesn’t provide data like this.
Where can I find the Chassis Codes.pdf for the S-type which you mentioned? I did a search but couldn’t find it anywhere.
I appreciate your help. 😊
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JTIS is on here / JagRepair.com - Jaguar Repair Information Resource
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JTIS is on here / JagRepair.com - Jaguar Repair Information Resource
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So i was just wondering whether anyone might have done pinpoint tests on the Park brake system on the XF. and therefore might have the information I need. There was a technical bulletin for the S-Type, but without translating the references between the two manuals that is not much use. However, if I can’t find the information any other way, I guess that’s what I will have to do.
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I have found and rectified the fault. It was a high resistance in the wire between the Hall effect sensor (the signal wire) and the module. The point where the high resistance was located was somewhere under the car where it was quite inaccessible, so I by passed the whole wire with a new cable from the module to the actuator. So, if you get this sort of problem be sure to check the continuity of the wiring!
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TreVoRTasmin (07-12-2018)
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I have found and rectified the fault. It was a high resistance in the wire between the Hall effect sensor (the signal wire) and the module. The point where the high resistance was located was somewhere under the car where it was quite inaccessible, so I by passed the whole wire with a new cable from the module to the actuator. So, if you get this sort of problem be sure to check the continuity of the wiring!
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Hi Colin
I have exactly the same EPG fault with a 2016 XE. When you said you bypassed the cable from the module to the actuator, did you mean the the Parking Brake Module? If so, where is this located on the car. Also, I assume the term actuator refers to the switch on the centre console.
Many thanks.
I have exactly the same EPG fault with a 2016 XE. When you said you bypassed the cable from the module to the actuator, did you mean the the Parking Brake Module? If so, where is this located on the car. Also, I assume the term actuator refers to the switch on the centre console.
Many thanks.
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Hi Colin
I have exactly the same EPG fault with a 2016 XE. When you said you bypassed the cable from the module to the actuator, did you mean the the Parking Brake Module? If so, where is this located on the car. Also, I assume the term actuator refers to the switch on the centre console.
Many thanks.
I have exactly the same EPG fault with a 2016 XE. When you said you bypassed the cable from the module to the actuator, did you mean the the Parking Brake Module? If so, where is this located on the car. Also, I assume the term actuator refers to the switch on the centre console.
Many thanks.
I used the vehicle worshop manual to to identify the cable from the control unit (which is located in the boot area behind the right hand side (OS) trim panel above the battery (this could be different for the XE!) which supplies current to the parking brake actuator when it is operated (this is the parking brake device located under the car which operates the parking brake cables to apply the brakes.). On mine I found the electrical cable between these two points was broken somewhere above the rear axle. Having identified the cable I connected an ohmmeter to both ends and found it was open circuit. I then traced from each end until I identified the break was above the axle where I couldn’t reach. So I just cut the cable each side of the axle where I knew it was each side of the break and then joined the new piece of wire over the axle between the two ends, If I could have seen what I was doing up there I might have found the break and repaired it, but the only way to do that would be to drop the axle. So instead I joined in the new piece to bridge the gap.where the ends were accessible. Good luck! 😊🤣
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Bill400 (12-12-2022)
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Hi, Thanks for your detailed explanation. So the term actuator referred to the small motor that moves the pads into the disc, not the switch. This is really good information. The car is going into my local garage (not a main dealer) so I'll give them this info. They have already had one go at identifying the fault which looked like the switch, because when I put the transmission into PARK, the park brake was applied. This problem started out as an intermittent fault. It came on every couple of weeks or so, then gradually became more frequent untill now it comes as soon as the car is started. So I'm thinking it is more likely corrosion or dirt in the connectors rather than a complete break in the cable. Thanks again for your help, and fingers we are now zooming in on the problem.
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Hi, Thanks for your detailed explanation. So the term actuator referred to the small motor that moves the pads into the disc, not the switch. This is really good information. The car is going into my local garage (not a main dealer) so I'll give them this info. They have already had one go at identifying the fault which looked like the switch, because when I put the transmission into PARK, the park brake was applied. This problem started out as an intermittent fault. It came on every couple of weeks or so, then gradually became more frequent untill now it comes as soon as the car is started. So I'm thinking it is more likely corrosion or dirt in the connectors rather than a complete break in the cable. Thanks again for your help, and fingers we are now zooming in on the problem.
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Hi All,
Just to say thanks for all that responded with suggestions on how to fix my EPG fault. And I'm pleased to report it is finally fixed. After a replacement of the EPG switch by my usual garage, it got sent to a non-main dealer Jaguar specialist who determined it was an open ciruit wire somewhere in the EPG system. After buzzing out the appropriate connections they repalced the broken one and all is now fine.
Regards
Graham
Just to say thanks for all that responded with suggestions on how to fix my EPG fault. And I'm pleased to report it is finally fixed. After a replacement of the EPG switch by my usual garage, it got sent to a non-main dealer Jaguar specialist who determined it was an open ciruit wire somewhere in the EPG system. After buzzing out the appropriate connections they repalced the broken one and all is now fine.
Regards
Graham
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