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2012 XJL Blown Engine - Need Advice Selling As Parts Car

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Old Nov 26, 2019 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by silvertonesx24
Thanks for the useful information. I did watch a bunch of youtube videos and there are a lot of ones on the Land Rover 5.0, same engine.

Bottom line, is this something that generally can be fairly diagnosed and addressed as an issue before catastrophic failure? I am pretty aware of noises/smells that are out of the ordinary from my cars and addressing them promptly. The idea of an engine grenading on me randomly BMW-style is not something I like.
Periodically listen to your engine idling with the hood open. The sound-proofing of the XJ is too good to reliably hear it from inside the cabin. I listen to mine approximately once a month to make sure everything is running well.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2019 | 08:11 AM
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First of all, I'm sorry that this happened to you, very sorry indeed. I appreciate you coming back to provide input to what it sounded like shortly before the failure and events leading up to it.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2019 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Fraser Mitchell
What does "blown engine" mean ? What does "heads blew up" mean ? Jaguar do not include explosive devices in their engines !



It is clear the main agent, whilst appearing sympathetic, don't really want this job. They will much prefer to do warranty claims jobs where Jaguar pay the bill.
I don't know about this dealer, but i would much rather do a Customer Pay repair than a Warranty repair. Same amount of labor, better pay.
Even if a chain broke and one head has bent valves, it's still cheaper than a new or second hand engine.
I've seen more chain problems on Rovers than Jags.

 
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Old Nov 27, 2019 | 10:32 AM
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Just a note the guy with the Lincoln LS? I also had an LS it was a great car.
On those cars look to get a 2003 or newer model as those had the much improved timing tensioners on them.

We drove our 2003 Lincoln LS V-8 Sport to over 130K miles with zero timing tensioner problems.
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Old Nov 27, 2019 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SinF
Generally, you can hear it long before it goes. While sudden failure is possible, it is likely they heard and didn't tell you, or didn't know to listen.

One of my other cars, a much older car than your XJ, has a V8 notorious for chain problems. To the point that I replace chain and tensioner every 10 years just in case. So I heard many stories of chain-related engine failures. While most of the time the engine is write-off, it doesn't happen every time. Don't immediately assume your engine is toast (but don't start it!) before the scope inspection confirms it. Here is what could happen:

a. Chain jumps one tooth - car runs like **** or stalls right away, but this is fixable! In this condition your ignition timing is off, but everything else is intact!
b. Chain jumps completely, but you only hit one valve on one side. No cam damage, no significant piston damage (just a scratch). This is also fixable, but requires head off and new valves. Still generally cheaper than an engine swap.
c. Chain jumps completely, nothing hits before it stalls (rare, but possible). Buy a lottery ticket.
d. Chain jumps, piston hit valve hard enough to damage cam and/or piston bearings. This is generally not economical to fix as it requires engine-out and pistons, bearings and a lot of other hardware. You do an engine swap at this point, unless car is something unique.

The damage and severity of repair all depends on how hard valve and piston hit. If valve was coming up as piston hits it will likely only cause top-end damage (valve, valve stem, valve stem seal, follower, maybe even cam). If valve was coming down, then it is more likely that both piston and valve could sustain damage. It also depends on how quickly the engine stalls after chain fails. You could have multiple ignitions after chain fails resulting in multiple hits on open valves.
Thank you for this explanation and added insight. For people out there who still have Jags that run, this could be very useful information. I would have loved to know what I know now when my car was still running.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2019 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SinF
Have you run the numbers on doing an used engine swap? I think you might lose less money on selling a running car.
Yes. Labor to replace engine is $4300. Price on an engine with similar miles to my car, 68,000 mile engine, is $9100. My car was also diagnosed with a leak in the water pump, and possibly needs the isolation kit on the Supercharger. All in, that would be $15,000 to $16,000 for engine swap and repairs. AND, the replacement engine with 68,000 miles would most likely have the faulty aluminum timing chain tensioner guides. So the timing chain service would have to be done as well. I would be MORE than 100% upside down at that point.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2019 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RPM0507
Yes. Labor to replace engine is $4300. Price on an engine with similar miles to my car, 68,000 mile engine, is $9100. My car was also diagnosed with a leak in the water pump, and possibly needs the isolation kit on the Supercharger. All in, that would be $15,000 to $16,000 for engine swap and repairs. AND, the replacement engine with 68,000 miles would most likely have the faulty aluminum timing chain tensioner guides. So the timing chain service would have to be done as well. I would be MORE than 100% upside down at that point.
You'd probably be able to part out the old engine as well. But not sure how much of a dent that'd make.
 
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Old Nov 27, 2019 | 08:25 PM
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OK,

Yep the 4.0 V8 was notorious for cam chain tensioner problems. However it didn't affect all engines. I bought my XK8 new in 2002 (escaped the Nikasil drama), 125,000 miles later it's still running the original components (ex water pump and T-tower), She still runs beautifully, just seems like a heavy old slug after I've driven the XJ. I'll never part with her and might even get buried in her.

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Old Nov 29, 2019 | 07:11 AM
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Sorry to hear the outcome!
Please post how it finally turns out.
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