Update to 10.25" Front Screen-All XJ's?
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Update to 10.25" Front Screen-All XJ's?
I really like the bigger Infotainment display the 2016 and up XJ's have. Plus the Apple Car Play and all the different apps. I saw this and it's from China.
About $1200 they have good pictures of what it can do and the bigger screen looks right at home in the earlier cars too.
Of course any pictures can be messed with.
Not sure how it all works but they have a interesting picture of the existing display and I think it becomes an app or maybe even home like before?
If it's on the market I think someone must have tried it?
Seems to Iffy for me? But still tempting.
10.25 Screen
Found this HUD unit add on too, of course from China. Cheap price of $55
I may buy this just to play around with. My friend has a Corvette with the HUD setup and I liked it. Just want to be able to turn it off too!
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About $1200 they have good pictures of what it can do and the bigger screen looks right at home in the earlier cars too.
Of course any pictures can be messed with.
Not sure how it all works but they have a interesting picture of the existing display and I think it becomes an app or maybe even home like before?
If it's on the market I think someone must have tried it?
Seems to Iffy for me? But still tempting.
10.25 Screen
Found this HUD unit add on too, of course from China. Cheap price of $55
I may buy this just to play around with. My friend has a Corvette with the HUD setup and I liked it. Just want to be able to turn it off too!
XJ HUD
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Normally these work by 'wrapping' the OEM screen IO by replacing the physical screen in the OEM housing and connecting the input to the old screen from the OEM hardware to an interface module or board fitted behind the screen. That module provides the new OS (normally Android) and replicates the old hardware buttons to change the screens when viewing the OEM screens and offsets the touch input to replacate the old hardware. From the cars point of view it sees nothing different to normal, but you can then run other Android apps on the hardware.
They are popular in the bigger Chinese cities where they rebadge locally made cars with Western badges and can replicate the infotainment interfaces (there are a lot of fake Mercedes and BMWs in China).
The photos on that AliExpress listing appear to show an OEM second gen infotainment screen with the labels missing. That may just be a stock photo of what they are trying to replicate, but if that is what they supply then I can't see the LVDS connection for an IAM and the IP cluster which are needed by the first gen IAM-based cars. If you already have a second gen car with the 8" screen I suspect swapping to the 10" screen with OEM parts is fairly simple. For IAM-based cars it will be harder. Cambo would be the man to ask there. The same technique of 'wrapping' the OEM screen IO though would work.
I've looked at these before to get better offline mapping and camera integration on my X350s but as yet I've not found one where the interface worked fluidly in English as they all seem to be developed for Far Eastern markets. It is hard to tell from the screenshots how this would look in English.
From a security point of view I would never let an aftermarket Android system like that connect to the Internet (directly or via BT sharing) as you have limited control over the apps they run and they are hardwired into the core networks of your car. That would rule out using Car Play (or Android Auto if it is running Android, which it looks to be). That risk may be acceptable to you, but having worked extensively with Far Eastern software I usually find that "looks ok" comes at the top of the list, "works ok" is in the middle and "what is security?" comes at the bottom.
Avoid those aftermarket LED reflection HUDs - they all need an IR label stuck to the windscreen, and on the XJ with the double humped dash you have nowhere to mount it without cutting holes.
They are popular in the bigger Chinese cities where they rebadge locally made cars with Western badges and can replicate the infotainment interfaces (there are a lot of fake Mercedes and BMWs in China).
The photos on that AliExpress listing appear to show an OEM second gen infotainment screen with the labels missing. That may just be a stock photo of what they are trying to replicate, but if that is what they supply then I can't see the LVDS connection for an IAM and the IP cluster which are needed by the first gen IAM-based cars. If you already have a second gen car with the 8" screen I suspect swapping to the 10" screen with OEM parts is fairly simple. For IAM-based cars it will be harder. Cambo would be the man to ask there. The same technique of 'wrapping' the OEM screen IO though would work.
I've looked at these before to get better offline mapping and camera integration on my X350s but as yet I've not found one where the interface worked fluidly in English as they all seem to be developed for Far Eastern markets. It is hard to tell from the screenshots how this would look in English.
From a security point of view I would never let an aftermarket Android system like that connect to the Internet (directly or via BT sharing) as you have limited control over the apps they run and they are hardwired into the core networks of your car. That would rule out using Car Play (or Android Auto if it is running Android, which it looks to be). That risk may be acceptable to you, but having worked extensively with Far Eastern software I usually find that "looks ok" comes at the top of the list, "works ok" is in the middle and "what is security?" comes at the bottom.
Avoid those aftermarket LED reflection HUDs - they all need an IR label stuck to the windscreen, and on the XJ with the double humped dash you have nowhere to mount it without cutting holes.
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I have read comments from Cambo about something similar in the works but he never posted back.
Cambo can you add anything yet?
To me it seems much smarter/simpler to add the big screen with Android on it and just keep the factory stuff as one input. To keep the car unaware that any changes have been done.
Should I be looking for a 2016+ factory screen? Not any out there (At least I can't find any) yet but as with the LED headlight update I am sure some will become available in the future.
I would rather use the Android screen but still pretty new trying to understand this update. I need the trim panel too. I think they are all the same trim? Shiny black.
I will stay away from the HUD. It did look like a JC Whitney type mod anyway!!
I have 2014 XJR and "think" I have the second generation 8" screen? So if no change in functions I should be able to swap my 8" display for a factory 10.25" display.
Need 2 parts the screen and the trim surround? That would be OK too at least better than the small 8" screen.
Oh one more thing? I don't understand the security risks can you explain what might happen?
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Cambo can you add anything yet?
To me it seems much smarter/simpler to add the big screen with Android on it and just keep the factory stuff as one input. To keep the car unaware that any changes have been done.
Should I be looking for a 2016+ factory screen? Not any out there (At least I can't find any) yet but as with the LED headlight update I am sure some will become available in the future.
I would rather use the Android screen but still pretty new trying to understand this update. I need the trim panel too. I think they are all the same trim? Shiny black.
I will stay away from the HUD. It did look like a JC Whitney type mod anyway!!
I have 2014 XJR and "think" I have the second generation 8" screen? So if no change in functions I should be able to swap my 8" display for a factory 10.25" display.
Need 2 parts the screen and the trim surround? That would be OK too at least better than the small 8" screen.
Oh one more thing? I don't understand the security risks can you explain what might happen?
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Last edited by clubairth1; 11-06-2018 at 12:22 PM.
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You can easily check - do you load satnav mapping updates via an SD card, or via USB?
If you have full access to the Android installation you could in theory firewall the Internet traffic, but chances are you'd have no support.
As an upgrade this looks great for those of us with the earlier cars, but only without an Internet connection.
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I found a 10" screen with part number GX63-19C299-AC but it looks to be an XF/Land Rover screen.
The larger screen has a single connection on back so I guess to use it with the earlier cars we would need to swap the boards behind the screen?
When did the large 10" screen come out? I don't see it on the 2016 models?
Yes the Jeep story is pretty in depth. I guess it's possible to control anything. I wonder if other cars have been hacked too?
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The larger screen has a single connection on back so I guess to use it with the earlier cars we would need to swap the boards behind the screen?
When did the large 10" screen come out? I don't see it on the 2016 models?
Yes the Jeep story is pretty in depth. I guess it's possible to control anything. I wonder if other cars have been hacked too?
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clubairth1, my understanding (as of a few years ago, probably a bigger list now) was that the only cars that really had any issues was the Jeeps (only the ones with the high end radios) and the GM brand cars with OnStar. Granted, since then, a lot of manufacturers have added some form of Wi-Fi to their vehicles. The trick is keeping the radio and the rest of the car isolated from each other. Our Jags would be vulnerable since they have the CAN bus running through the radio and would then most likely be tied into the Wi-Fi aspect. Any car that you can call a number and have them give you a report on problems with your car I would consider vulnerable. You have just proven a link from something that can access the internet and your car.
Granted, to take things one step further, I know a lot of people have wi-fi/wireless based home security systems. These are just as vulnerable as a car. One can sit outside a house, do a little scanning, find the system, figure out the process to get into the system and tada, they can walk into your house and not set off a single alarm. takes a little work on their part, but if they want in, they will be getting in. Hence why wired systems are still superior and most big business will not allow their camera systems to be wireless.
Granted, to take things one step further, I know a lot of people have wi-fi/wireless based home security systems. These are just as vulnerable as a car. One can sit outside a house, do a little scanning, find the system, figure out the process to get into the system and tada, they can walk into your house and not set off a single alarm. takes a little work on their part, but if they want in, they will be getting in. Hence why wired systems are still superior and most big business will not allow their camera systems to be wireless.
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The F-Type guys got the big screen working fine but it appears the XJ has a different system so we can't use the same parts.
10.25" Screen Update
Still hoping to upgrade my XJ!
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10.25" Screen Update
Still hoping to upgrade my XJ!
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I don't know if it is at all relevant, but over in the "British" forum, a chap has done an Android install, with pictures and everything:
https://www.jaguarforum.com/showthread.php?t=116958
He seemed pleased with the results.
https://www.jaguarforum.com/showthread.php?t=116958
He seemed pleased with the results.
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I don't know if it is at all relevant, but over in the "British" forum, a chap has done an Android install, with pictures and everything:
https://www.jaguarforum.com/showthread.php?t=116958
He seemed pleased with the results.
https://www.jaguarforum.com/showthread.php?t=116958
He seemed pleased with the results.
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I don't know if it is at all relevant, but over in the "British" forum, a chap has done an Android install, with pictures and everything:
https://www.jaguarforum.com/showthread.php?t=116958
He seemed pleased with the results.
https://www.jaguarforum.com/showthread.php?t=116958
He seemed pleased with the results.
That was my post. I didn't realize it was the "British" forum. LOL. Is this one the "American" forum? Since my father is American, my mother British, and I was born in London, that makes me half&half, so I should be using both forums right?
Yes. I am happy with the results. I could be happier. Like I mentioned in my thread, I have been using aftermarket Android stereos in my cars for years. This is the first one that tied into the OEM system. There are functions available on the universal Android car stereos that aren't available on the one I bought. If not for wanting to retain the Valet and Climate control functions, I would have completely removed the factory system and had an universal Android car stereo installed. If retaining OEM functions is not a concern for you, I would recommend getting one of the universal Android units from AutoPumpkin, Joying Auto, etc. Not only will you gain functions like "fast boot", but the universal units are about 1/4 the price of the units designed for integration with OEM systems.
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Sorry - my shorthand. Both sets of fora are, of course, global (as they are on the internet without restriction) but this site tends to be predominantly contributed to by Americans, and the other mostly by Brits. There are, though, a good many members common to both.
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That was my post. I didn't realize it was the "British" forum. LOL. Is this one the "American" forum? Since my father is American, my mother British, and I was born in London, that makes me half&half, so I should be using both forums right?
Yes. I am happy with the results. I could be happier. Like I mentioned in my thread, I have been using aftermarket Android stereos in my cars for years. This is the first one that tied into the OEM system. There are functions available on the universal Android car stereos that aren't available on the one I bought. If not for wanting to retain the Valet and Climate control functions, I would have completely removed the factory system and had an universal Android car stereo installed. If retaining OEM functions is not a concern for you, I would recommend getting one of the universal Android units from AutoPumpkin, Joying Auto, etc. Not only will you gain functions like "fast boot", but the universal units are about 1/4 the price of the units designed for integration with OEM systems.
Yes. I am happy with the results. I could be happier. Like I mentioned in my thread, I have been using aftermarket Android stereos in my cars for years. This is the first one that tied into the OEM system. There are functions available on the universal Android car stereos that aren't available on the one I bought. If not for wanting to retain the Valet and Climate control functions, I would have completely removed the factory system and had an universal Android car stereo installed. If retaining OEM functions is not a concern for you, I would recommend getting one of the universal Android units from AutoPumpkin, Joying Auto, etc. Not only will you gain functions like "fast boot", but the universal units are about 1/4 the price of the units designed for integration with OEM systems.
Ha. Both my parents are from Montenegro, I was born in London but live in the US.
I'm def going with one that handles the OEM operation. Do you know if Satellite radio works? If it does then I'm going to pull the trigger today. From one of the guys I spoke with I was told it could use the system's GPS and Microphone/speaker without adding the aftermarket one.
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Ha. Both my parents are from Montenegro, I was born in London but live in the US.
I'm def going with one that handles the OEM operation. Do you know if Satellite radio works? If it does then I'm going to pull the trigger today. From one of the guys I spoke with I was told it could use the system's GPS and Microphone/speaker without adding the aftermarket one.
I'm def going with one that handles the OEM operation. Do you know if Satellite radio works? If it does then I'm going to pull the trigger today. From one of the guys I spoke with I was told it could use the system's GPS and Microphone/speaker without adding the aftermarket one.
The GPS and microphone? If it is using the OEM navigation and functions of microphone/speaker previously used before installing the Android unit, then yeah, it will work. I haven't experimented and tried disconnecting the antenna yet, but I believe that if it is an Android app that needs GPS, then you need the GPS antenna supplied with the Android unit. It does use the car speaker for Android apps IF you have the Audio/Video source set to "AUX". I imagine the same applies to the microphone.
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Other than one being Android 6 and the other being Android 7, I am not sure in the difference of the specs, or in customer service, but at aliexpress, Kanor offers one that is a little bit cheaper right now. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3300....5f464c4dcBXhY