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Old May 30, 2019 | 06:51 AM
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Production will end at Castle Bromwich on July 5th, with 120,000 made.

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-...n-to-end/40279

The last X351 XJ will be built in July; time to remember one of the most important saloons in Jag's history



Remember the last Jaguar XJ, the one before this? While lovely to drive, the 'X350' XJ could hardly have looked more old-fashioned if it came with wire wheels and a tape deck. Even in the mid-2000s, it looked staid, safe and overly traditional. With cars like the Bangle 7 Series on sale at the same time, that XJ did nothing for Jaguar's old man image.

But this one did. When the X351 made its debut a decade ago, it was a real bolt from the blue for Jaguar - here, at last, was a contemporary, stylish, modern, flagship, one that replaced a really stoic predecessor. That it was lovely to drive, with a vastly improved interior, made for a genuinely competitive and attractive big Jag saloon. That it still looks good 10 years on says a lot, too.



Now, however, the X351 XJ's time has come: production will end at Castle Bromwich on July 5th, with 120,000 made. Truth be told, many aspects of the XJ are no longer competitive, and haven't been for a while, with an electric replacement for the car due in 2020. So in the same way this XJ was unlike any previous iterations, its replacement looks like reinventing the name once more.

As staunch fans of the current XJ, its confident good looks and assured dynamics, we're sad to see the car going, even with its solid nine-year innings. Early diesel cars are now priced from around £16k, though the most interesting sub-£20k XJ to be found at the moment is this 5.0-litre V8 car, once said to be transport for the Queen, available at £18k with 80,000 miles. With a higher budget, this BRG XJ is one of very few cars that uses the supercharged V6 that replaced the big V8; with cream leather and acres of wood, it's a more traditional take on the XJ spec, but interesting nonetheless.

Naturally of most interest in this XJ range is the XJR, either in original 550hp form or as the later 575; high mileage cars are less than £30k, though this 2016 example looks scandalously good value at £40k with just over 20,000 miles. For those who must have the extra 25hp, this XJR 575 has already plummeted from its £93,710 list price to less than £60k. Which looks jolly tempting, truth be told. For delivering something so different, and so much more desirable, than what went before it, the X351 XJ really deserves to be remembered as one of Jag's greats, despite its flaws. Given how much the next version looks likely to change the formula, don't be surprised to see its stock rise even further in the coming years.

 

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Old May 30, 2019 | 02:03 PM
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So if I got it right the X351 generation will die but not the model XJ?
 
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Old May 30, 2019 | 02:16 PM
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So if I got it right the X351 generation will die but not the model XJ?
That is what I gather. I don't agree with the revolutionary approach. First came the styling and now the all electric version. If the I-Pace costs around $70k base then how much will the new XJ be? Will buyers spend that kind of money for an EV?
 
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Old May 30, 2019 | 06:06 PM
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Misleading fake news headline.

Correct headline should be:

Jaguar XJ Will Get All-New, All-Electric Redesign in 2020
 

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Old May 30, 2019 | 08:58 PM
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Well I wish Jaguar luck. I am certainly glad that I got mine as I am no more interested in an all electric XJ than I a am flying to the moon on a skateboard.
 
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Old May 31, 2019 | 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolfy
Misleading fake news headline.

Correct headline should be:

Jaguar XJ Will Get All-New, All-Electric Redesign in 2020
Curious: which part of "X351 production to END 2019" is misleading, or fake? It appears wholly accurate and relevant to me.

... although your proposed headline may also be true, granted.
 
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Old May 31, 2019 | 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by christ
Curious: which part of "X351 production to END 2019" is misleading, or fake? It appears wholly accurate and relevant to me.

... although your proposed headline may also be true, granted.
I didn't get that either at first but, if you click on the link, the headline on the page on Pistonheads is:

"So long, farewell - Jaguar XJ production to end"
 
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Old May 31, 2019 | 07:04 AM
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Aha. I didn't click through, so I missed that bit.
 
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Old May 31, 2019 | 02:09 PM
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The roof popping problem didn't help sales. This affected cars from 2009 right up to 2013, with Jaguar remaining totally silent on the issue. The 2017 I drove in January 2018 was wonderful, so it was sorted in the end, but the Double-Decker Bus now reigns supreme it would seem, (sorry, I meant Sports Utility Vehicle !!), so big luxury saloons are now a glut on the market
 
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Old Jun 2, 2019 | 03:50 PM
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Even the new ones have some sunroof noise, nowhere as bad as my 2011, but they still make a single pop sound going over uneven roads. I test drove a brand new 16 xjl a few years back and when the car tweaked turning coming out of the lot it made a single loud pop. And the same pop coming back into the lot. Bizarre they can't figure it out.
 
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Old Jun 3, 2019 | 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by phillyS1
... Bizarre they can't figure it out.
They almost certainly know exactly what the issue is (the innate flexibility of Aluminium), but whatever they try to do to fix it is basically working against nature.
 
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Old Jun 3, 2019 | 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by christ
They almost certainly know exactly what the issue is (the innate flexibility of Aluminium), but whatever they try to do to fix it is basically working against nature.
Aluminum is a bit less stiff for a given thickness, but 1/3 the weight, so the thickness can be increased (at least by 44% to make it as stiff).

The capacity is to make a structure that is actually more stiff and yet still lighter than steel, for example twice as thick would be 30% stiffer than steel but 30% lighter, roughly.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2019 | 12:22 PM
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Yes the 'fake news' headline was from the original news story not the forum post.

I was hoping they would do a 'Final X351' Edition with new electronics from the new XE /Velar. No such luck.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2019 | 06:35 PM
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Well it's official: The Next Jaguar XJ Will Be All-Electric

Today, July 5, the last ICE XJ rolled out of the Castle Bromwich factory. RIP.

I wonder how the electric XJ is going to 'sound'? I sure don't want to hear a whiny electric motor.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2019 | 07:57 PM
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Hopefully there will be less stuff to fix.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2019 | 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolfy
Well it's official: The Next Jaguar XJ Will Be All-Electric

Today, July 5, the last ICE XJ rolled out of the Castle Bromwich factory. RIP.

I wonder how the electric XJ is going to 'sound'? I sure don't want to hear a whiny electric motor.
It can't sound any more sickening than my XJL Supercharged did sitting on the side of the road both times it blew a head gasket. Frankly, after the experience I had with mine, I haven't had much desire to own another Jaguar of any sort but this absolutely eliminates any chance of an inclination in that direction on my part.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2019 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MV Rider
Well I wish Jaguar luck. I am certainly glad that I got mine, as I am no more interested in an all electric XJ than I am flying to the moon on a skateboard.
I agree!!

However, that means that 120,000 of us now own an "orphan car"......
 
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Old Jul 6, 2019 | 03:26 PM
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Eventually all cars will be electric, so I’d rather drive an electric XJ than be another Tesla driver.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2019 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nedoerr
Eventually all cars will be electric, so I’d rather drive an electric XJ than be another Tesla driver.
I don't believe either one of us will live long enough to see that day! Tesla will eventually go bankrupt - too much of a niche vehicle. After decades of Jaguar attempts at perfecting the ICE, the last one I had was still ranks as the least reliable and most problematic car I have EVER owned... and that's coming from someone who has owned 65 vehicles! Why would anyone in their right mind take a chance on something as unconventional as an electric Jaguar? They've probably engaged a Lucas descendant to mastermind the new XJ power plant. No thanks!
 
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Old Jul 6, 2019 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dga57
I don't believe either one of us will live long enough to see that day! Tesla will eventually go bankrupt - too much of a niche vehicle. After decades of Jaguar attempts at perfecting the ICE, the last one I had was still ranks as the least reliable and most problematic car I have EVER owned... and that's coming from someone who has owned 65 vehicles! Why would anyone in their right mind take a chance on something as unconventional as an electric Jaguar? They've probably engaged a Lucas descendant to mastermind the new XJ power plant. No thanks!
Car manufacturers are under constant pressure to produce more powerful yet more fuel efficient vehicles that don't break down by consumers. They are also under pressure by the environmental protection agencies to produce more fuel efficient and cleaner engines. With new designs come new potential problems.

Jaguar had a bulletproof slant six and to get roughly 50hp more they abandoned it for the AJ-26 which took several years to iron out. Then to pursue more power the 5.0L was developed which brought its own unique trouble areas. If they still made the rectified 4.0 or 4.2 with roughly 300hp would you buy it or pass because you'd deem it underpowered?
 
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