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Old Sep 6, 2015 | 11:04 AM
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Angry Mongoose screen shots and lack of options.

I was going to do a comprehensive write up with pictures for the Mongoose JLR (clone) and my X350, but have identified a couple of issues that I have with my Win 7 32bit OS and the SDD version 1.42.06

They are as follows: (mongoose is connected and disconnected in some pictures, but all tasks were tried with the mongoose connected and the vehicle running to provide stable power).

Screen 1.
After connecting the mongoose and starting SDD I can automatically collect my VIN (only with the veh running though and it is still unauthenticated), run through the dealer screens, The no internet screen, the internal modules selection screen, limited functions screen (no internet to TOPIX) and then go to settings screen to select my unit variables (MPH,PSI etc) and then in this instance I select the service functions to collect all my current vehicle data and am left with this screen.

Mongoose screen shots and lack of options.-screenshot_j_g31270_pagio00001_sajwa71c54sg31270-14f194f4e80_1439239105535.jpg

It took a while but I now have all the module abbreviations down and can identify what they are so all well and good (so far).

Screen 2 & 3.
I check some system settings for the PC and get this. I see nothing wrong with this screen and my unit settings screen:

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Screen 4.
After going through a few separate screen selections using the tabs along the top of each session module, a lot of my screens say words similar to this.

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Screen 5 & 6.
So finally I get to see some DTCs.

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I notice that there are rather a lot of them :-( . One I see is for a suspension issue I just repaired so i decided I would run a DTC reset and managed to figure it out by selecting the next tab and there are two options to "RUN"

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I run the DTC reset and that works.

Wow, this SDD is cool stuff, let me see what other things I can calibrate, change or adjust via the software.

Well after many frustrating hours of clicking, selecting, tabs, restarting the laptop, the car and all manner of things. It would appear the only things I can do with this is:

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Read the service checklist (which actually doesn't work because at every step I get this message).

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I have clicked on the diagnostics and drilled down through the selections to provide and answer on how to fix the relevant DTC issue but when I get to the end of the selections and select continue (which I presumes would give me an answer) it just returned to the original list of DTCs at the beginning. Where's the extras tab?

Miffed is a polite way of saying how I feel about all this.

So to say this whole venture is and has been a waste of time and money on my behalf is quite the understatement.

So for the $42 for the clone Mongoose JLR and the cheap laptop (32bit CPU) and hours of installing 3 or 4 ( I can't remember exactly now how many versions of SDD), Installing an OS for a 32bit laptop without updates.
I get to read my DTCs that my previous old OBD2 reader could read anyway.

What am I doing wrong to not get any of the calibration screens or run screens that I see others getting, like this:

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Old Sep 6, 2015 | 12:03 PM
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Offline mode is limiting you to do anything, except codes.
A correct login/password to login in topix should be used or SDD needs to be CORRECTLY activated.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2015 | 08:53 PM
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So after you get this screen

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Click service functions in the list of options at bottom of screen. You should then get a screen like this


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If not then I'm unsure what's happening but would offer 2 areas to investigate
1 - check fuse 43 in the passenger fuse box
2 - attached a voltage maintainer or battery charger and run SDD with engine not running. I believe most of the service functions/calibration options require you to cycle ignition on and off so if you have engine running maybe SDD is preventing the options showing "in self defense"
 
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Old Sep 6, 2015 | 09:22 PM
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I noticed that in your red highlighted warning at the top has a date of August 30, 2015.
In my V134 has a date.bat file that insured that the date was turned back to August of 2004.
Do you need to roll your PC date back?


Just a thought.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2015 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by hafren
2 - attached a voltage maintainer or battery charger and run SDD with engine not running. I believe most of the service functions/calibration options require you to cycle ignition on and off so if you have engine running maybe SDD is preventing the options showing "in self defense"
Check this out https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...tainer-149395/
 
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Old Sep 7, 2015 | 03:04 AM
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I would be inclined to go for an earlier version. The later you go the more it relies on connectivity with Topix. e.g. from V139 the DTC help is supposedly taken from Topix rather than held in the application.

138 is the sweet spot for me.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2015 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by u102768
I would be inclined to go for an earlier version. The later you go the more it relies on connectivity with Topix. e.g. from V139 the DTC help is supposedly taken from Topix rather than held in the application.

138 is the sweet spot for me.
Even in v.143 the DTC help is still available w/o a topix.
The guided diag requires a topix, but who needs a guided diag anyway?
 
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Old Sep 7, 2015 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by hafren
So after you get this screen

Click service functions in the list of options at bottom of screen. You should then get a screen like this

If not then I'm unsure what's happening but would offer 2 areas to investigate
1 - check fuse 43 in the passenger fuse box
2 - attached a voltage maintainer or battery charger and run SDD with engine not running. I believe most of the service functions/calibration options require you to cycle ignition on and off so if you have engine running maybe SDD is preventing the options showing "in self defense"
I don't get those options after clicking the service functions tag unfortunately, I only get the Topix log in required screen.

As far as I am led to believe the date (2004) and the version being used does not matter because it resets every time it is used. A programme called Deep Freeze is running in the background resetting everything to vanilla on every reboot.

I will go and check Fuse 43 too.

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I don't want to keep throwing money at this either as it could just be that the Mongoose it faulty. If its only the DTCs that I get in the future, then so be it.

I have tried many versions of the software and each have their own foibles and failures which is very disappointing. I may have to go down the VMware route and try an XP Pro with vers 1.30 (the last for the X350) and if that doesn't work V138.
 

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Old Sep 7, 2015 | 10:30 AM
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@Hafren, aha, just read your battery power supply post and see what you mean. I will order one today for $30.
 

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Old Sep 7, 2015 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by trosty
I don't want to keep throwing money at this either as it could just be that the Mongoose it faulty. If its only the DTCs that I get in the future, then so be it.

I have tried many versions of the software and each have their own foibles and failures which is very disappointing. I may have to go down the VMware route and try an XP Pro with vers 1.30 (the last for the X350) and if that doesn't work V138.
Faulty mongoose will not read a DTC. If it reads a codes - it is working. It's just a software limitation.
Any older versions (from IDS v110) will work fine in Win7 too, no problems here.
Actually i'm running two versions (v115 and v143) on mine laptop (x61s with win7), no problems at all.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2015 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MoscowLeaper
Faulty mongoose will not read a DTC. If it reads a codes - it is working. It's just a software limitation.
Any older versions (from IDS v110) will work fine in Win7 too, no problems here.
Actually i'm running two versions (v115 and v143) on mine laptop (x61s with win7), no problems at all.
I am currently installing Win XP Pro using Oracle VM Virtual Box (on a win8.1 64bit laptop) at the moment and intend to run V130 on it. I have ordered a power maintainer for $30 and if you are correct and my Mongoose is working because I can get DTCs then this should all work out well.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2015 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by trosty
I am currently installing Win XP Pro using Oracle VM Virtual Box (on a win8.1 64bit laptop) at the moment and intend to run V130 on it. I have ordered a power maintainer for $30 and if you are correct and my Mongoose is working because I can get DTCs then this should all work out well.
Lot's of fun ahead. SDD (and IDS) in VM's gives very intresting glitches in very random routines.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2015 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MoscowLeaper
Lot's of fun ahead. SDD (and IDS) in VM's gives very intresting glitches in very random routines.
My 2005 XJR is supposed to lower the suspension at motorway speed whatever that is. I am sure its not 60 mph. Is it possible set it to lower at 60 mph using JLR SDD. I can see a number of options when looking at suspension on my laptop but nothing that suggests what I want.
 
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Originally Posted by MoscowLeaper
Even in v.143 the DTC help is still available w/o a topix.
The guided diag requires a topix, but who needs a guided diag anyway?
Thanks for the info. I stuck with v138 as it does everything I need and read the following info in the v139 newsletter:

Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Help Information
DTC help information presented to the user is now taken ‘Live’ from TOPIx. This enhancement gives the following benefits;

• More detailed and accurate information on DTC ‘Possible causes’ and ‘Actions’
• New model DTC help information will be available prior to the vehicle launch.
• A ‘Feedback’ function is included to allow direct reporting for further enhancements to the help information
• Updates to TOPIx DTC information will instantly reflect in the SDD DTC help information

To access the DTC help information click on the information icon for the particular DTC
 
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Old Sep 8, 2015 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by u102768
Thanks for the info. I stuck with v138 as it does everything I need and read the following info in the v139 newsletter:

Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Help Information
DTC help information presented to the user is now taken ‘Live’ from TOPIx. This enhancement gives the following benefits;

• More detailed and accurate information on DTC ‘Possible causes’ and ‘Actions’
• New model DTC help information will be available prior to the vehicle launch.
• A ‘Feedback’ function is included to allow direct reporting for further enhancements to the help information
• Updates to TOPIx DTC information will instantly reflect in the SDD DTC help information

To access the DTC help information click on the information icon for the particular DTC
Now it all makes perfect sense why I can't get in there. So an earlier version (than 1.42) it is going to be.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2015 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jackra_1
My 2005 XJR is supposed to lower the suspension at motorway speed whatever that is. I am sure its not 60 mph. Is it possible set it to lower at 60 mph using JLR SDD. I can see a number of options when looking at suspension on my laptop but nothing that suggests what I want.
No, there is no adjustment to the automatic lowering speed (100mph btw) but hopefully soon we will have a manual controller available so you can adjust the ride height as you wish on the move.
 
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Old Sep 8, 2015 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Cambo
No, there is no adjustment to the automatic lowering speed (100mph btw) but hopefully soon we will have a manual controller available so you can adjust the ride height as you wish on the move.
I look forward to that!
 
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Where can I download the SPA_142 file?
It is not on Index of /265935/idscentral
 
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Unless you have a VMM you don't need it.
 
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Old Sep 16, 2015 | 09:12 PM
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I am currently running a Win 7 64 bit Virtual PC that , has been running win xp SP3 32bit in a virtual mode.

I have installed SDD vers 125 (the last version used for X350) and it seems to work perfectly. Now that's great.

My intention now is to see if I can copy, zip and transfer the .VHD (which is the whole virtual OS HDD to another pc running virtual pc and install it and see it works. If it does I will upload the file , allowing everyone else to download it for their easy installation and use. There is still a lot to look into like, final file size (zipped) etc.

Watch this space.
 

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