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We must move on into the 21st century! I love my Jags as they are, but this is inevitable to keep up with the trends. Jaguar must compete with the Bimmer and Merc crowd to be profitable. I like it with a few reservations. The rear view reminds me of an old Daewoo Legonza! Eweew!! I'm not sure about the "Dolly Parton" center stack AC vents. Hhhhmmm....
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I like it.......But its not an XJ!!!! XJs for the last 30+ years had a VERY recognizable style. Headlights, grille, body shape, etc. That look has evolved over the years, but was ALWAYS recognized as an XJ. Jaguar COMPLETELY abandoned that signature look. You see an XJ coming down the street, EVERYONE recognizes it as a Jaguar. Put a new XJ right next to last years XJ, or any year XJ for that matter and tell me what you see. 2 completely different cars....period. Jaguar is right about one thing though.....its ALL NEW.
Once again though....I like it, an absolutely beautiful car. But, IMO, it was a mistake to release this as an XJ, and throw away 30+ years of style, distintion, and heritage.
Once again though....I like it, an absolutely beautiful car. But, IMO, it was a mistake to release this as an XJ, and throw away 30+ years of style, distintion, and heritage.
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The exterior is quite nice, but has become a vanilla any brand look body. The rear section from the wheels back reminds me of a Maybach or S-Class. The interior is really top notch looking.
Is the new XJ made out of aluminum? I do not like the leaper as the rear badge at all. It looks like Puma made the car and seems really kitschy. I would replace with the round traditional Jaguar emblem if I ever get one of the new models.
Overall, the design is shrewd, as die hard Jaguar buyers are going to buy this either way. The traditional designs Jaguar used just weren’t bringing in new buyers to marque. Perhaps they can later on put some traditional touches back once Jaguar is a legitimate competitor again?
Jaguar’s niche should be with aluminum rivet bonding. So far it has worked well and eventually will be a good selling point like Subaru’s All Wheel Drive. Salespeople will sell it better and years of cars out there will make it proven.
A sure, the new car is a looker and Tata is on the right path. This is a good economy actually to start a new take on a classic brand. Once things get better, buyers will have had a few years to acclimate to Jag’s new design and will have read several years of accolades on reliability and performance.
Is the new XJ made out of aluminum? I do not like the leaper as the rear badge at all. It looks like Puma made the car and seems really kitschy. I would replace with the round traditional Jaguar emblem if I ever get one of the new models.
Overall, the design is shrewd, as die hard Jaguar buyers are going to buy this either way. The traditional designs Jaguar used just weren’t bringing in new buyers to marque. Perhaps they can later on put some traditional touches back once Jaguar is a legitimate competitor again?
Jaguar’s niche should be with aluminum rivet bonding. So far it has worked well and eventually will be a good selling point like Subaru’s All Wheel Drive. Salespeople will sell it better and years of cars out there will make it proven.
A sure, the new car is a looker and Tata is on the right path. This is a good economy actually to start a new take on a classic brand. Once things get better, buyers will have had a few years to acclimate to Jag’s new design and will have read several years of accolades on reliability and performance.
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These days, an automotive brand's identity often resides in the design details, and the new XJ's designers realize this. They've given us a new take on an ultra-luxury sedan; most of it is fresh but, unfortunately neither the package nor the details ring true. This is odd for a company who should have the DNA "nailed" after over a half-century of big sedan design language upon which to draw.
Generally, every single reference (or even "brief nod") to Jaguar tradition is absent. Consider for a moment that, with Rolls-Royce and Bentley going their separate ways once again, and Rolls-Royce having crossed the line from the real world into the Neverland of extreme bad taste back in 2003, there is a huge vacuum in the market for a high end Brit luxury car with a traditional package. Jaguar have ignored this opening to give us a car that's the automotive equivalent of a wine bar's slop bucket--a blend of different notes of varied vintages and sources that, in the end, courts, not greatness, but disposable, forgettable waste.
The silhouette, especially the greenhouse, seems to have been penned in homage to the Audi sedan range that are already long in the tooth. The lower body, too, has a Teutonic quality to its proportions, with the wheels being pushed out more towards the ends of the body and the generic shape of the wheel openings.
I have never cottoned to the new grille since the introduction of the XF (don't give me the line about it's XJ Series III derivation that I recently heard from a salesman). Too much chrome; too sharp-edged; proportionally too large (again an Audi similarity here). And when are designers going to stop trying to impress each other (leaving us confused in the extreme) with wacky headlight designs? Do the styling bosses run Japanese robot cartoons in the company cafeteria during lunch breaks?
The front aspect leaves me entirely cold, and the rear offers scant relief. Proportionally, it's somewhat inoffensive, but the Toyota-ish up-and-over taillights sacrifice function for tastelessness.
The use of the leaper as a rear logotype (begun on the XF, too) sends the viewer's eyes on a journey to the Northwest, where there's little to provide comfort. Why this jarring element should find its home on an otherwise rigidly symmetrical rear fascia is anyone's guess.
Hmmm...there may just be a bit too much guessing going on here, now that I think about it a bit more...on the part of the designers (who seem to have lost the key somewhere, to a degree not seen since the introduction of the ultimate Elephant-designed-by-blind-men XJ-S), and in the case of the unfortunate viewers whose wallets and need for social superiority haven't yet clouded their sense on common sense, tradition, and good taste.
The interior does not disappoint, whether the observer's impression of the exterior leaves him horrified or intrigued, depending upon his preferences. To me, there is a feeling of "we did it because we could" excess in the details. I feel like Captain Nemo at the controls of the Tata Nautilus--Flagship of the Fleet--while my eyes look for a restful place to settle on the instrument panel and its vicinity. There's a definite Jules Verne-lost-in-Delhi quality to all the outrageous juxtaposition of the overly-fussy chromed, tanned, and knurled details. Perhaps it's best to park it facing the sea, so the simple horizon gives one's eyes respite.
I'm probably destined to be a tiny insect voice in the wilderness of cacophony surrounding the Jackson funeral event of this car's introduction (one equivocally dreadful style icon exits in a gold-plated coffin, and a week, later a new, chrome-detailed one enters), but the "new" XJ--which I'm sure will crowd the streets and lanes everywhere that folks need to be seen with their latest pricey bauble--leaves me cold, dazed, and confused.
Tata/Jag didn't get anything right on this one, design-wise, and it's a sad price to pay for a car whose performance, especially in supercharged 5-litre trim, promises a genuine revelation.
Generally, every single reference (or even "brief nod") to Jaguar tradition is absent. Consider for a moment that, with Rolls-Royce and Bentley going their separate ways once again, and Rolls-Royce having crossed the line from the real world into the Neverland of extreme bad taste back in 2003, there is a huge vacuum in the market for a high end Brit luxury car with a traditional package. Jaguar have ignored this opening to give us a car that's the automotive equivalent of a wine bar's slop bucket--a blend of different notes of varied vintages and sources that, in the end, courts, not greatness, but disposable, forgettable waste.
The silhouette, especially the greenhouse, seems to have been penned in homage to the Audi sedan range that are already long in the tooth. The lower body, too, has a Teutonic quality to its proportions, with the wheels being pushed out more towards the ends of the body and the generic shape of the wheel openings.
I have never cottoned to the new grille since the introduction of the XF (don't give me the line about it's XJ Series III derivation that I recently heard from a salesman). Too much chrome; too sharp-edged; proportionally too large (again an Audi similarity here). And when are designers going to stop trying to impress each other (leaving us confused in the extreme) with wacky headlight designs? Do the styling bosses run Japanese robot cartoons in the company cafeteria during lunch breaks?
The front aspect leaves me entirely cold, and the rear offers scant relief. Proportionally, it's somewhat inoffensive, but the Toyota-ish up-and-over taillights sacrifice function for tastelessness.
The use of the leaper as a rear logotype (begun on the XF, too) sends the viewer's eyes on a journey to the Northwest, where there's little to provide comfort. Why this jarring element should find its home on an otherwise rigidly symmetrical rear fascia is anyone's guess.
Hmmm...there may just be a bit too much guessing going on here, now that I think about it a bit more...on the part of the designers (who seem to have lost the key somewhere, to a degree not seen since the introduction of the ultimate Elephant-designed-by-blind-men XJ-S), and in the case of the unfortunate viewers whose wallets and need for social superiority haven't yet clouded their sense on common sense, tradition, and good taste.
The interior does not disappoint, whether the observer's impression of the exterior leaves him horrified or intrigued, depending upon his preferences. To me, there is a feeling of "we did it because we could" excess in the details. I feel like Captain Nemo at the controls of the Tata Nautilus--Flagship of the Fleet--while my eyes look for a restful place to settle on the instrument panel and its vicinity. There's a definite Jules Verne-lost-in-Delhi quality to all the outrageous juxtaposition of the overly-fussy chromed, tanned, and knurled details. Perhaps it's best to park it facing the sea, so the simple horizon gives one's eyes respite.
I'm probably destined to be a tiny insect voice in the wilderness of cacophony surrounding the Jackson funeral event of this car's introduction (one equivocally dreadful style icon exits in a gold-plated coffin, and a week, later a new, chrome-detailed one enters), but the "new" XJ--which I'm sure will crowd the streets and lanes everywhere that folks need to be seen with their latest pricey bauble--leaves me cold, dazed, and confused.
Tata/Jag didn't get anything right on this one, design-wise, and it's a sad price to pay for a car whose performance, especially in supercharged 5-litre trim, promises a genuine revelation.
I do agree that the interior is really nice but some of the exterior angles do look like an Audi. The back of the car is quite ugly but the front is okay. The best news is the body itself which keeps the aluminium philosophy. The new 5.0 liter engine is quite impressive and the supercharged is even more. Would I change my 2005 XJR for the 2010 XJ, probably not. The worst part of the car is that their is no link between the old XJ and the new XJ, really sad.
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I hope the assembly line blows up and they never make the car, could it look good? possibly....is it a Jaguar or an XJ for that matter? NOPE
hope thats short n sweet for you guys
hope thats short n sweet for you guys

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As a former XJ6 and now an XJ8 owner (And X and 2x S-Types!!), I think the XJ look and name should have remained synonymous with a design dating back 41 years. I quite like the look of the new XJ, especially the interior, but it is no XJ. I think XG, XI, XH etc. would have been fine. After all the XF wasn't called the new S-type and the 'new' XJ is not the XJ. I think this is a basic marketing mistake and I'm sure it won't be long before the XJ name is gone.
I think and hope it will be successful, part of me hopes they drop in value like the current XJ, and the other part of me says that would be bad for the marque. Residuals on the XF and XK are very good. This is really the problem, my XJ stickered for more that the current XJ (even without accounting for the value of money in '09 vs. '04) and after 4 years it was only worth 30% of its value when new, with 37K miles on the clock and 1 owner. That is not sustainable.
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I think and hope it will be successful, part of me hopes they drop in value like the current XJ, and the other part of me says that would be bad for the marque. Residuals on the XF and XK are very good. This is really the problem, my XJ stickered for more that the current XJ (even without accounting for the value of money in '09 vs. '04) and after 4 years it was only worth 30% of its value when new, with 37K miles on the clock and 1 owner. That is not sustainable.
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I think that the problem with the XJ design was that it is really played out. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the design of the 07 and older XJs (IMO they ruined the car in 08 so to me the XJ has been dead for a while...) but read any review of the X350 "It's a fantastic car but it looks like the 03 which looks like the 95 which is an updated version of the '68...)
WE love the XJ design, but there's a reason that XJs aren't selling well, the car looks old and the 7 series, S Class, LS and A8 are miles ahead of it in technology. It's in a hypercompetitive class and rehashing the same old design was a sales failure. If jaguar is going to survive, it needs to have products that are truly competitive with the competition, the new car does seem to be.
WE love the XJ design, but there's a reason that XJs aren't selling well, the car looks old and the 7 series, S Class, LS and A8 are miles ahead of it in technology. It's in a hypercompetitive class and rehashing the same old design was a sales failure. If jaguar is going to survive, it needs to have products that are truly competitive with the competition, the new car does seem to be.
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in several areas like construction. All aluminum rivet bonding is way ahead of what the others are doing. All of the cars share similar or same transmissions, as well as having xenons, air suspensions, vented seats, etc...Originally Posted by rld14
WE love the XJ design, but there's a reason that XJs aren't selling well, the car looks old and the 7 series, S Class, LS and A8 are miles ahead of it in technology. It's in a hypercompetitive class and rehashing the same old design was a sales failure. If jaguar is going to survive, it needs to have products that are truly competitive with the competition, the new car does seem to be.
It's just the aesthetics that are tired on the XJ. It's going to take some time for the die hards to warm up to the new design, but I think they will. The name of the car really does not matter so much; people buying it does.
We'll see similar depreciation as the current model. No reason for that to change as the current model is a good car and does not deserve such depreciation.
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The distinctive XJ style I fell for is gone. The new "XJ" may be a winner - only time will tell. But it will never be an XJ to me. Glad I got one of the last ones...
They should have started a new series name.
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P.S. I also feel that Pluto will always be a planet
They should have started a new series name.
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P.S. I also feel that Pluto will always be a planet

My first impression was that of another aero-smooth generic design. After looking at the images for awhile, the new Jag does have some subtle, but distinctive, sculpturing of the sheet metal. I like the chrome leaping cat on the trunk lid, and the large, aggressive grille. I will miss the hood ornament, but this was inevitable with pedestrian safety concerns. In-person, this long and sleek cat may look very impressive.
I own a 2004 XJ and have always loved the wood trim, and was concerned about deletion of the wood on the new XJ. Fortunately, they did not with this long over-due interior change. The instrument panel and air vents look over-sculptured and will get old quickly, other than that the interior looks very nice.
I am glad they retained the aluminum frame and skin, but would have preferred the base engine to be a V-8 on the XJ.
Jaguar stayed with tradition too long on the XJ, and it showed in the poor sales. A change was due, hopefully the big cat will still be distinctive enough set it apart from the crowd.
I own a 2004 XJ and have always loved the wood trim, and was concerned about deletion of the wood on the new XJ. Fortunately, they did not with this long over-due interior change. The instrument panel and air vents look over-sculptured and will get old quickly, other than that the interior looks very nice.
I am glad they retained the aluminum frame and skin, but would have preferred the base engine to be a V-8 on the XJ.
Jaguar stayed with tradition too long on the XJ, and it showed in the poor sales. A change was due, hopefully the big cat will still be distinctive enough set it apart from the crowd.
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i`m sorry but this is no XJ , i agree that it should have been called by another name. the reason ive always loved and owned jags was about its exclusive looks. now its more like another face in the crowd.
will i buy one...probably ,,but it aint no XJ.
will i buy one...probably ,,but it aint no XJ.
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I had expected it to be better than 2010 audi a4 but..........
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Overall I think it is a nice looking car with quite a few derivative elements to the design. The greenhouse is definitely Audi-esque which is likely why they put the blackout panel on the C pillar to disguise it a bit. The tail has hints of the Citroen C6 in the tail-lamps. The dash design leaves me a bit cold, especially the round vents over the center stack. This car will probably be quite color sensitive--looking best in darker shades. The leaper on the trunk lid and on the steering wheel annoys me, it ruins the symmetry of both completely and should be replaced with a growler forthwith. Would I buy one? Not sure, I am really torn on that question. I love my XJ8L but have not been impressed with either the dealer or customer service from Jaguar. May purchase a Panamera instead--ugly outside, nice inside and driving dynamics are likely to be superior.
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For sure I would take off the Leaper emblem and replace it with the traditional round emblem instead. Would do the same on the XF too.
When did Puma start making cars?
When did Puma start making cars?
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They had to put that big leaper on the back so that people would be able to tell it is a Jaguar.
Without that identifier, this car is just another face in the crowd of homogenized luxury cars.
It is the automotive equivalent of political correctness.
Without that identifier, this car is just another face in the crowd of homogenized luxury cars.

It is the automotive equivalent of political correctness.
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I think the big leaper on the back is the equivalent of the Pep Boys fender vents--looks awful and it looks like something someone stuck on there themselves. The growler would have been much more effective and prettier.
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When my wife bought an S-Type in 2005, we thought we could live with a small back seat and neither of us cared much for the styling of the XJ (apologies to those here who obviously love it but beauty is in the eye...). Now that the new XJ is out, we're ready to trade in the S-Type to get a roomier back seat with styling that suits our tastes. So for those who forecast a dismal future for the new XJ, recognize that while it might not sell to XJ purists (whose numbers were clearly declining), it may well attract more than a few whose appreciation is based on it NOT looking AT ALL like the XJ of old. And no, we won't hold it against Jaguar for retaining the same model name of the car we disliked.



