Hey guys,

As I can't get to the ATF cooler lines with the engine in situ, is it possible to drop the subframe WITH engine on it?

Will it pass through the engine bay without hitting any body parts? Or will it get stuck somewhere? I'd find it easier to work on the lines and refit the tranny by dropping it all.

Front subframe is easily dropped. The engine is easily enough left on the setup. So I would think it could work like that...

Any other opinions?

Cheers

Damiem

 

Are the lines out of the car? which ends did you disconnect?

 

Both ends are disconnected. One of the pipes had to be cut off in order to get the tranny out as the exit pipe had been cross threaded sometime before (factory).

I can't get to the brackets in the engine bay as there is no space to get my hand between body and engine...

 

I did a friends cooler line a while back. I replaced it with steel braided lines. This is the link.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...ck-fix-171463/

I haven't removed an engine from the bottom on the subframe but it's Motorcarman's preferred method. He should know the process.

 

I'be got a set of good used pipes sitting here. So I prefer not to go braided...

 

That is the only way I pull the engine from the X308 (engine and gearbox together on the subframe).

The steering column is a little tight to get past but it will go with it pushed out of the way.

Undo ALL the bolts ,nuts, fasteners from the bottom (don't forget the Torque Conv fasteners) before you drop the powertrain onto steel tables or whatever you use.

bob

 

@Motorcarman

Yes! That is what I like to hear.

Maybe you know out for your head: have I missed anything when it comes to this job?

-> undo the water hoses at the front
-> undo the water hoses at the rear (octopus hose to engine)
-> undo steering column (and harness for steering)
-> undo power steering reservoir and lean it towards/onto engine
-> undo main wiring harness (where is it located? Supposed to be a big plug somewhere!?)
-> undo the fuel pipes (any tips how to do it if you don't have the quick fit parts?)
-> undo air con piping (to condenser/radiator)
-> undo subframe mounts (and all that stuff, like shocks, abs sensors, brake calipers, ...)
-> lift car/chassis off

That should be it. Currently off are tranny (which I'll fit again to keep the engine balanced) and exhaust system. So that can be neglected at this stage.

Do I need to rock the subframe back/forth like that?

Cheers

 

The engine harness plug is at the rear of the engine.
The PAS cooler lines need to be disconnected near the radiator.
I leave the gearbox on the engine until it is dropped so I can leave the cataverters attached. I have 2 steel tables with casters that can be 'wheeled-apart' when the engine/gearbox is resting on them.

Pluck the engine from the subframe and set the replacement or repaired unit back on the subframe and 'wheel' the engine/gearbox back together.

Lower the car body down onto the subframe.

If you already removed the cataverters, then the lower steering column should not be in the way.

bob

 

You sure about the main harness? Behind the engine are, as far as I have seen, just the little plugs for the lambda sonds/O2 sensors and a couple for the tranny...

What PAS hoses are you talking about? The ones to the rad are only water and tranny... The PAS doesn't even have a cooler (on my V8). So if I leave the system sealed, it should really be no problem (rest the reservoir on the engine etc.). Anyhow, seems doable. Engine is fine. Tranny is now fine. All this is only to change a pipe on the side of the darn engine.

I'll leave it on it's wheels. Should work rather okay, hopefully... Cheers!

 

Must correct myself, you're right! There is an extra cooler. Just didn't have it on my mind...

 

The big black rectangular plug/socket has a 10mm head bolt holding them together. Unplug it and the entire engine harness is disconnected.

bob

 

The pipe will fit with the engine in situ, but it's very tricky to do and can take the patience of a Saint.
I threaded it from trans to rad, removing all the stuff in the way like undertray, brake duct, inner wing liner and the wheel.
Worth a shot before dropping the lot!

 

You might remember that the steering column is NOT in the way on a RHD car!!!!!!

Different cars have different fitment problems.

bob

 

Exactly that is the problem here. The steering column is in the way. I also can't force the pipe as it must be seated perfectly in my tranny due to it being cross threaded before and now only having a few thread sections it can hold to...