XJS ( X27 ) 1975 - 1996 3.6 4.0 5.3 6.0

ABS pump runs all the time (1989 XJS)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 13, 2012 | 02:42 PM
  #1  
William R. Johnson's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
10 Year Member
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 8
Likes: 1
Question ABS pump runs all the time (1989 XJS)

Read all the threads before posting this one. My problem is slightly different. The ABS pump on my 1989 XJS runs constantly whenever the ignition is switched on. It does not cycle. Depressing and or pumping the brake pedal has no effect on the pump and also there is no braking action. The car sat for six years in my garage prior to my "reactivating" it. Also, during this instance, I removed the ABS pump assembly to gain access to the firewall. In the process (besides disconnecting the two electrical plugs) I had to disconnect the supply and feed lines. Could breaking the integrity of the lines have caused my problem or the six year dormant period (or a combination of both)? Any suggestions on how to proceed???
 
Attached Images  
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2012 | 03:48 AM
  #2  
warrjon's Avatar
Veteran Member
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 4,638
Likes: 2,583
From: Vic Australia
Default

I posted a response in the ABS pump problems thread so here it is

You will need to bleed the ABS accumulator.

Also if you allow the pump to continue to run you will damage it. The manual specifically warns not to let the pump run for more than 2min or the motor will overheat - if this happens the manual states to allow the motor to cool for at least 10min.

I have a full write up on how to bleed the ABS system here

http://warrjon.blogspot.com.au/p/how...teves-abs.html

Hope this helps. Feel free to ask any questions.
 
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2012 | 04:15 AM
  #3  
paramax55's Avatar
Junior Member
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
From: tampa
Default

I can vouch for that. Even with a non-working ABS pump, you will have brakes. You will have to hold the steering wheel with both hands and pretend you are leg-pressing an elephant, and only the front brakes will work, but you will have brakes.

Are you in Texas by any chance? I know someone by that name who lives in Texas.
 
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2012 | 05:36 AM
  #4  
Steve M's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 6,224
Likes: 3,758
From: Wiltshire, UK
Default

Why would only the front brakes work? That sounds (through experience) dangerous to me.
 
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2012 | 09:18 AM
  #5  
William R. Johnson's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
10 Year Member
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 8
Likes: 1
Default

Thanks for the quick response and great info. I suspected I would have to bleed "something." I will try that and let y'all know if it worked. BTW, I am the Bill Johnson in Cocoa Fla, not Texas.
 
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2012 | 09:31 AM
  #6  
William R. Johnson's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
10 Year Member
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 8
Likes: 1
Default

Just looked at your write-up on bleeding ABS system. This is the most creative and simplistic method I've seen ever. Kudos to you my friend, you've just saved me a lot of anguish!
 
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2012 | 09:21 AM
  #7  
paramax55's Avatar
Junior Member
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
From: tampa
Default

It has something to do with the way Jaguar designed the brakes. Instead of using something like a vacuum assist (like the rest of the world), Jaguar uses the pressure generated from the pump to BOTH give you power brakes AND operate the ABS. In the event, though, that you loose a pump (can something break on a Jaguar?) You still need to be able to stop. For some reason, they only put the pass-through on the front brakes.
 
Reply
Old Jan 5, 2013 | 01:44 PM
  #8  
vjsimone's Avatar
Junior Member
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
From: Buckroe Beach
Default

Do all 1989 XJS's have ABS?
 
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2013 | 01:38 PM
  #9  
William R. Johnson's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
10 Year Member
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 8
Likes: 1
Default

I'm not an expert on XJS evolution through the years. But I do know that 1989 was the first year for ABS brakes. All 1989 exports to the U.S. were equipped as such.
 
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2013 | 02:25 PM
  #10  
Doug's Avatar
Veteran Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 25,526
Likes: 11,718
From: Pacific Northwest USA
Default

Originally Posted by William R. Johnson
I'm not an expert on XJS evolution through the years. But I do know that 1989 was the first year for ABS brakes. All 1989 exports to the U.S. were equipped as such.

Right!

But Jaguar's model year designations for USA cars versus ROW cars can be confusing and often appears irrational.

Cheers
DD
 
Reply
Old Jan 9, 2013 | 08:28 PM
  #11  
nofking's Avatar
Member
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 37
Likes: 10
From: North Florida
Default

1992 V12 XJS.
My ABS pump comes on as soon as you touch the brakes together with the dash warning light. Does the accumulator have to be recharged with nitrogen like the one on a Rolls Royce?
 
Reply
Old Jan 10, 2013 | 05:24 AM
  #12  
Steve M's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 6,224
Likes: 3,758
From: Wiltshire, UK
Default

Does the warning light take a long time to go out when you start the car?
The spheres do lose pressure over time and as you say need to be replaced or recharged over time; 80 bar seems to ring a bell.
 
Reply
Old Jan 10, 2013 | 09:53 AM
  #13  
William R. Johnson's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
10 Year Member
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 8
Likes: 1
Default

Agree. Easier to replace than to try to find someone to recharge. BTW, a new nitrogen sphere for a GM Buick is an exact replacement and is $$$ cheaper than an OEM replacement.
 
Reply
Old Jan 11, 2013 | 07:35 AM
  #14  
nofking's Avatar
Member
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 37
Likes: 10
From: North Florida
Default

I turned on ignition and pressed the brake pedal 6 times although pressure was gone after first press. Pump ran 6 seconds and turned off and light went out.
Both lights come on on first press of brake pedal.
Norman
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2013 | 06:34 PM
  #15  
paramax55's Avatar
Junior Member
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
From: tampa
Default

That's the little ball gone bad. If I remember correctly, the GM one is not that expensive and you WILL burn up the pump without it.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
BrentGardner
XJ XJ6 / XJ8 / XJR ( X350 & X358 )
29
Dec 16, 2024 12:13 AM
fast40driver
XJS ( X27 )
45
Apr 19, 2024 07:24 AM
DrScientist
PRIVATE For Sale / Trade or Buy Classifieds
5
Dec 9, 2015 07:36 PM
convincor
New Member Area - Intro a MUST
7
Sep 3, 2015 08:03 PM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:41 PM.