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Thank you!
There not that common this side of the pond either, I have actually owned the car for 20 years, two previous owners the first registered was Jaguar Cars so I guess it was a managers car!
There not that common this side of the pond either, I have actually owned the car for 20 years, two previous owners the first registered was Jaguar Cars so I guess it was a managers car!
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Hi and welcome to the forum - it is a fantastic source of knowledge. Someone on here will know or know someone that knows whatever your query.
I have a 1990, 3.6 coupe manual (signal red) so it would be good to compare notes on any common projects. My most recent work was replacement master and slave cylinders to get the clutch back to behaving itself.
Good luck with the car,
LeeP
I have a 1990, 3.6 coupe manual (signal red) so it would be good to compare notes on any common projects. My most recent work was replacement master and slave cylinders to get the clutch back to behaving itself.
Good luck with the car,
LeeP
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Hi Lee
Thanks I would look forward to that. I had to have the clutch slave and master replaced quite a few years ago. I recently had to remove the wiper mechanism and rebuild the motor, because of an awful grinding noise, turned out to be the field magnet had become detached (unglued) from the motor casing and was attached to the armature causing the grind noise.
Have you needed to replace the accumulator mine is getting very tired now (original one so 30 years old) and was wondering if you have any experience or know of anyone using the one that fits the Range Rover P38 (half the cost of the Jaguar one) it's a little more bulbus but I understand the thread is the same. I would at some stage like to replace all the suspension bushes and maybe the shockers.
Are you a member of any Jaguar Clubs?
Cheers
Thanks I would look forward to that. I had to have the clutch slave and master replaced quite a few years ago. I recently had to remove the wiper mechanism and rebuild the motor, because of an awful grinding noise, turned out to be the field magnet had become detached (unglued) from the motor casing and was attached to the armature causing the grind noise.
Have you needed to replace the accumulator mine is getting very tired now (original one so 30 years old) and was wondering if you have any experience or know of anyone using the one that fits the Range Rover P38 (half the cost of the Jaguar one) it's a little more bulbus but I understand the thread is the same. I would at some stage like to replace all the suspension bushes and maybe the shockers.
Are you a member of any Jaguar Clubs?
Cheers
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Hi Woodie,
You may have already seen the threads on here re accumulators but just in case:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...r-ball-231267/
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...me-xjs-231420/
My car had a major rebuild 10 or 12 years ago and I think the accumulator may have been replaced then as it looks newish. At the same time all of the suspension and brakes were rebuilt including the back cage so hopefully nothing to do there. Mileage is around 138,000 and as far as I can tell, still on original engine / clutch / transmission. What miles does yours have?
I am in the JEC and XJS OC but not very active as have two other cars to play with and still working part time.
Cheers,
LeeP
You may have already seen the threads on here re accumulators but just in case:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...r-ball-231267/
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...me-xjs-231420/
My car had a major rebuild 10 or 12 years ago and I think the accumulator may have been replaced then as it looks newish. At the same time all of the suspension and brakes were rebuilt including the back cage so hopefully nothing to do there. Mileage is around 138,000 and as far as I can tell, still on original engine / clutch / transmission. What miles does yours have?
I am in the JEC and XJS OC but not very active as have two other cars to play with and still working part time.
Cheers,
LeeP
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Hi Lee
Thanks for the info links I had seen them I have recently been trawling through the posts on most sites to try a glean what info I could after doing quite a bit of investigating myself. Hydac seem to be the supplier to Jaguar and JCP but I don't think they can be sourced direct from Hydac. The nearest equivalent seems to be the Wabco one fitted to the Range Rover P38 (Its half the cost of the Jaguar one so on cost alone it's worth a punt, seems people on here have fitted them)
They say 10 years is their life expectancy before they start to degrade, how many brake depressions do you have before the pump kicks in to recharge?( I have about two so it is very tired well after all it is the original one)
The mileage on mines is an unbelievable figure of 48,000 miles but I know it's true when I purchased off a previous neighbour it had 24,000 on the clock I am the third owner. It was first registered by Jaguar cars I guess it was one of their manager's cars, my previous neighbour purchased it from the local Jaguar Dealer I have his original bill of sale!
Cheers
Thanks for the info links I had seen them I have recently been trawling through the posts on most sites to try a glean what info I could after doing quite a bit of investigating myself. Hydac seem to be the supplier to Jaguar and JCP but I don't think they can be sourced direct from Hydac. The nearest equivalent seems to be the Wabco one fitted to the Range Rover P38 (Its half the cost of the Jaguar one so on cost alone it's worth a punt, seems people on here have fitted them)
They say 10 years is their life expectancy before they start to degrade, how many brake depressions do you have before the pump kicks in to recharge?( I have about two so it is very tired well after all it is the original one)
The mileage on mines is an unbelievable figure of 48,000 miles but I know it's true when I purchased off a previous neighbour it had 24,000 on the clock I am the third owner. It was first registered by Jaguar cars I guess it was one of their manager's cars, my previous neighbour purchased it from the local Jaguar Dealer I have his original bill of sale!
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Hi Woodie,
I can't remember how often the pump kicks in so will check when I next take it out. Busy catching up on a bit of rust treatment behind the drivers side front wing during lockdown. I have certainly heard it pumping every now and again whilst I am out driving and it takes quite a while to finish pumping when the car has been standing in the garage for a week or two on first start it up.
Would be keen to hear how you get on with the replacement accumulator in case I have to go down the same route. I am always keen to explore alternatives to OEM where they work ok. I have often found things like rubber bushes are used on a number of cars and if you can trace the non-Jag item they are often cheaper.
Sounds a nice car you have and so good to have all the history with it. Mine had a very busy early life and clocked up 53,000 miles in its first 18 months according to the service records. It was serviced by a Jag main dealer in Essex every 2 to 3 months during this time. Can't imagine how it managed to clock up so many miles and who could have afforded the petrol!
Cheers,
LeeP
I can't remember how often the pump kicks in so will check when I next take it out. Busy catching up on a bit of rust treatment behind the drivers side front wing during lockdown. I have certainly heard it pumping every now and again whilst I am out driving and it takes quite a while to finish pumping when the car has been standing in the garage for a week or two on first start it up.
Would be keen to hear how you get on with the replacement accumulator in case I have to go down the same route. I am always keen to explore alternatives to OEM where they work ok. I have often found things like rubber bushes are used on a number of cars and if you can trace the non-Jag item they are often cheaper.
Sounds a nice car you have and so good to have all the history with it. Mine had a very busy early life and clocked up 53,000 miles in its first 18 months according to the service records. It was serviced by a Jag main dealer in Essex every 2 to 3 months during this time. Can't imagine how it managed to clock up so many miles and who could have afforded the petrol!
Cheers,
LeeP
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Hi Lee
I think mine pumps for around 40 to 50 secs on start up but then pumps again after pressing the brake pedal a couple of times then pumps for about 20 secs or so. So I guess on that assumption it has lost half of its intial pressure (not good) It would be wise to monitor it because the pump is not designed to run continuously even at the rate mine is running may well cause the motor to burn out!
I think I have almost decided which accumulator I will use, but just want to check a couple of things out first with the manufacturer, then I will let you know.
The dreaded tin worm! I am not sure if you are aware of it unless you or someone previously has removed it, there is a piece of foam pressing against the drivers side inner wing that supports the cooling system over flow bottle ( container) This foam retains moisture and causes the wing panel just above the the sill line to rust and rot through.
To investigate you will need to remove the inner wing to wing closing panels they are normally made of aluminium and fixed into place with screws.
If a car has been looked after and well maintained then the mileage can be less of a concern, after all they are often the better for use.
Cheers
Ivan
I think mine pumps for around 40 to 50 secs on start up but then pumps again after pressing the brake pedal a couple of times then pumps for about 20 secs or so. So I guess on that assumption it has lost half of its intial pressure (not good) It would be wise to monitor it because the pump is not designed to run continuously even at the rate mine is running may well cause the motor to burn out!
I think I have almost decided which accumulator I will use, but just want to check a couple of things out first with the manufacturer, then I will let you know.
The dreaded tin worm! I am not sure if you are aware of it unless you or someone previously has removed it, there is a piece of foam pressing against the drivers side inner wing that supports the cooling system over flow bottle ( container) This foam retains moisture and causes the wing panel just above the the sill line to rust and rot through.
To investigate you will need to remove the inner wing to wing closing panels they are normally made of aluminium and fixed into place with screws.
If a car has been looked after and well maintained then the mileage can be less of a concern, after all they are often the better for use.
Cheers
Ivan
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Hi Ivan,
I think similar pumping time in total on start-up but to avoid overheating the pump I do it in 20 second bursts allowing the pump to rest for a few minutes in between.
Thanks for the inner wing advice, quite a coincidence......
A few weeks ago I thought I would deal with a not too bad looking "goosepimply" blemish to the wing in just this area. After sanding and treating I ended up with 2 or 3 pinholes right through the wing so off with the inner wing panel. Had a 2008 sticker on the back of it so must have been replaced during the rebuild. Lot of rust to the bottle bracket with the side piece rusted right through. Of the two brackets holding the bottom of the wing to the top of the sill one was completely shot and the other 50% gone. I've cleaned up and treated all the rust I can find and will waxoyl when dry, hopefully that will keep things in abeyance for now. Rest of the inside of the wing not too bad so just a small fibreglass patch, rest of inner body structure all solid and well rust-proofed. No foam between the wing and bottle but bottle sits on a foam pad which I think I will retain to cushion it from the bracket - all bone dry.
Good luck with the accumulator,
LeeP
I think similar pumping time in total on start-up but to avoid overheating the pump I do it in 20 second bursts allowing the pump to rest for a few minutes in between.
Thanks for the inner wing advice, quite a coincidence......
A few weeks ago I thought I would deal with a not too bad looking "goosepimply" blemish to the wing in just this area. After sanding and treating I ended up with 2 or 3 pinholes right through the wing so off with the inner wing panel. Had a 2008 sticker on the back of it so must have been replaced during the rebuild. Lot of rust to the bottle bracket with the side piece rusted right through. Of the two brackets holding the bottom of the wing to the top of the sill one was completely shot and the other 50% gone. I've cleaned up and treated all the rust I can find and will waxoyl when dry, hopefully that will keep things in abeyance for now. Rest of the inside of the wing not too bad so just a small fibreglass patch, rest of inner body structure all solid and well rust-proofed. No foam between the wing and bottle but bottle sits on a foam pad which I think I will retain to cushion it from the bracket - all bone dry.
Good luck with the accumulator,
LeeP
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Hi Lee
Thanks for the info links I had seen them I have recently been trawling through the posts on most sites to try a glean what info I could after doing quite a bit of investigating myself. Hydac seem to be the supplier to Jaguar and JCP but I don't think they can be sourced direct from Hydac. The nearest equivalent seems to be the Wabco one fitted to the Range Rover P38 (Its half the cost of the Jaguar one so on cost alone it's worth a punt, seems people on here have fitted them)
They say 10 years is their life expectancy before they start to degrade, how many brake depressions do you have before the pump kicks in to recharge?( I have about two so it is very tired well after all it is the original one)
The mileage on mines is an unbelievable figure of 48,000 miles but I know it's true when I purchased off a previous neighbour it had 24,000 on the clock I am the third owner. It was first registered by Jaguar cars I guess it was one of their manager's cars, my previous neighbour purchased it from the local Jaguar Dealer I have his original bill of sale!
Cheers
Thanks for the info links I had seen them I have recently been trawling through the posts on most sites to try a glean what info I could after doing quite a bit of investigating myself. Hydac seem to be the supplier to Jaguar and JCP but I don't think they can be sourced direct from Hydac. The nearest equivalent seems to be the Wabco one fitted to the Range Rover P38 (Its half the cost of the Jaguar one so on cost alone it's worth a punt, seems people on here have fitted them)
They say 10 years is their life expectancy before they start to degrade, how many brake depressions do you have before the pump kicks in to recharge?( I have about two so it is very tired well after all it is the original one)
The mileage on mines is an unbelievable figure of 48,000 miles but I know it's true when I purchased off a previous neighbour it had 24,000 on the clock I am the third owner. It was first registered by Jaguar cars I guess it was one of their manager's cars, my previous neighbour purchased it from the local Jaguar Dealer I have his original bill of sale!
Cheers
Did you get anywhere with the accumulator?
Got mine back on the road this week after sorting some rust repairs. I also have 2 and sometimes 3 pushes on the pedal before my pump kicks back in so I guess I am in a similar position to you and may need a replacement shortly.
Cheers,
LeeP
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Hi Lee
Thanks for the info links I had seen them I have recently been trawling through the posts on most sites to try a glean what info I could after doing quite a bit of investigating myself. Hydac seem to be the supplier to Jaguar and JCP but I don't think they can be sourced direct from Hydac. The nearest equivalent seems to be the Wabco one fitted to the Range Rover P38 (Its half the cost of the Jaguar one so on cost alone it's worth a punt, seems people on here have fitted them)
They say 10 years is their life expectancy before they start to degrade, how many brake depressions do you have before the pump kicks in to recharge?( I have about two so it is very tired well after all it is the original one)
The mileage on mines is an unbelievable figure of 48,000 miles but I know it's true when I purchased off a previous neighbour it had 24,000 on the clock I am the third owner. It was first registered by Jaguar cars I guess it was one of their manager's cars, my previous neighbour purchased it from the local Jaguar Dealer I have his original bill of sale!
Cheers
Thanks for the info links I had seen them I have recently been trawling through the posts on most sites to try a glean what info I could after doing quite a bit of investigating myself. Hydac seem to be the supplier to Jaguar and JCP but I don't think they can be sourced direct from Hydac. The nearest equivalent seems to be the Wabco one fitted to the Range Rover P38 (Its half the cost of the Jaguar one so on cost alone it's worth a punt, seems people on here have fitted them)
They say 10 years is their life expectancy before they start to degrade, how many brake depressions do you have before the pump kicks in to recharge?( I have about two so it is very tired well after all it is the original one)
The mileage on mines is an unbelievable figure of 48,000 miles but I know it's true when I purchased off a previous neighbour it had 24,000 on the clock I am the third owner. It was first registered by Jaguar cars I guess it was one of their manager's cars, my previous neighbour purchased it from the local Jaguar Dealer I have his original bill of sale!
Cheers
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Hi Lee
I hadn't forgotten about you, the reason haven't replied is because, although I have the replacement accumulator it's not fitted. I plan to fit it it on either the 11 or 12 of June, when my cousin is available to come over and do it. I have disconnected the pump fuse, and pumped the pedal so by the time he is available there should be no pressure in the system.
After he has fitted it, checked the brakes and given everything a look over he will MOT it for me.
I hope to go to the XJS 45th aniversary at Gaydon in September if it still goes ahead
I hadn't forgotten about you, the reason haven't replied is because, although I have the replacement accumulator it's not fitted. I plan to fit it it on either the 11 or 12 of June, when my cousin is available to come over and do it. I have disconnected the pump fuse, and pumped the pedal so by the time he is available there should be no pressure in the system.
After he has fitted it, checked the brakes and given everything a look over he will MOT it for me.
I hope to go to the XJS 45th aniversary at Gaydon in September if it still goes ahead
Hi there,
The forum is great you find
I now live in Leicester too and own a factory manual XJ-S from 1985. From what I read you have had yours for a long time, I've had mine for 2 years, 18 months of which is was not drivable due an ECU fault. So really I'm just getting to use it now. Loving it finally.
If I have any questions I always post on here. Its great everyone is really helpful.
Enjoy!
The forum is great you find
I now live in Leicester too and own a factory manual XJ-S from 1985. From what I read you have had yours for a long time, I've had mine for 2 years, 18 months of which is was not drivable due an ECU fault. So really I'm just getting to use it now. Loving it finally. If I have any questions I always post on here. Its great everyone is really helpful.
Enjoy!
