XJS ( X27 ) 1975 - 1996 3.6 4.0 5.3 6.0

Recurring dream

Old Dec 26, 2017 | 12:05 AM
  #1  
JigJag's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Veteran Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,333
Likes: 583
From: North Carolina
Default Recurring dream

epilepsy trigger warning

I keep getting these flashes...



Comments on my malady are welcomed.

 
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2017 | 01:38 AM
  #2  
leo_denmark's Avatar
Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 783
Likes: 265
From: Middelfart
Default

Very nice ! Did you do the design yourself ?
 
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2017 | 08:50 AM
  #3  
JigJag's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Veteran Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,333
Likes: 583
From: North Carolina
Default

Originally Posted by leo_denmark
Very nice ! Did you do the design yourself ?
Thanks. Yes, it’s one of several I’ve been playing with. Some designs retain the bumper line and more of the angularity with thin bumpers. I feel like there’s a shape in there that Sayer planned that was never executed. Haven’t quite found it yet. Fabrication would be a puzzle or two but you’d wind up with room out front for intercoolers and turbos if you lay the radiator down.
 
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2017 | 10:17 AM
  #4  
unimoged's Avatar
Member
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 34
Likes: 11
From: Charlotte NC USA
Default

Jigjag, good to see your are in NC, Are you near Charlotte.
 
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2017 | 11:39 AM
  #5  
JigJag's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Veteran Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,333
Likes: 583
From: North Carolina
Default

unimoged, I am, well not technically, but I am every day.

You too? Driving a Unimog down south blvd?
 
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2017 | 12:02 PM
  #6  
sidescrollin's Avatar
Veteran Member
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,459
Likes: 695
From: Key West, FL
Default

There's a guy in Tampa that has done extensive bodywork to his XJS, maybe look at it before deciding to do large bodywork projects.
 
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2017 | 12:50 PM
  #7  
Padre's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 351
Likes: 142
From: Dalton, GA
Default

Put a tall wing on the back and it will be an XJS Superbird.



Padre
 
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2017 | 01:50 PM
  #8  
leo_denmark's Avatar
Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 783
Likes: 265
From: Middelfart
Default

This is actually not that extensive. Just a nose job...

 
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2017 | 02:01 PM
  #9  
Padre's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 351
Likes: 142
From: Dalton, GA
Default

Originally Posted by leo_denmark
This is actually not that extensive. Just a nose job...

Front clip from an XK8. Voila!



Padre.
 
Reply
Old Dec 27, 2017 | 03:05 AM
  #10  
Greg in France's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 14,551
Likes: 10,737
From: France
Default

Stop trying to improve on perfection! The only non-Jaguar version of the XJS that has looked wonderful was this one:

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/art...er-pininfarina
 
Reply
Old Dec 28, 2017 | 08:34 AM
  #11  
malc4d's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,703
Likes: 470
From: Orlando
Default

Oh dear.....

Looks like that design has been used !! "The three also gave the car a huge boot to maximise grand touring potential, but this led to a side profile remarkably reminiscent of the same generation Corvette. Though perhaps this was intentional; after all, Jaguar wanted to break into the American market, and what better way to do it?"




 

Last edited by malc4d; Dec 28, 2017 at 08:50 AM.
Reply
Old Dec 28, 2017 | 09:04 AM
  #12  
Andreas Schmieg's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 564
Likes: 208
From: Minneapolis
Default

Originally Posted by leo_denmark
This is actually not that extensive. Just a nose job...

Design a matching rear kit and sign me up for the waitlist. :-)
 
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2018 | 05:13 PM
  #13  
JigJag's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Veteran Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,333
Likes: 583
From: North Carolina
Default

Originally Posted by Greg in France
Stop trying to improve on perfection! The only non-Jaguar version of the XJS that has looked wonderful was this one:
...
https://www.classicdriver.com/en/art...er-pininfarina
...Shudder...

Pininfarina rarely makes anything that I dislike. But they do on occasion. This is one of them. It's like a tall corvette from the 80s.

Here's further doodling. Tail contracted 9 inches behind rear wheels ( no wheelbase change ), trunk extension spoiler, and restyled rear windows.


 
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2018 | 06:32 PM
  #14  
Some Day, Some Day's Avatar
Veteran Member
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 2,047
Likes: 1,049
From: Japan
Default

Nice work. But nope, sorry, not doing it for me. The normal XJS design uses the headlights as a very strong lead point, with the bodywork sweeping back from there, and the grille as minimalist. The headlights, like in many classic Jags, aren't just stuck on the front (like they are on the current Tata models) but essentially ARE the front. This design retains that strong sweep back from the headlight, but adds what looks like a rather bulbous bit out to either side, going by the shadows. One reason I'm not a huge fan of the later XJSs is because of those enlarged body-coloured enlarged areas under the bumper. Perhaps if the lights were more faired in with the new nose...? Or staggered, perhaps--the inner ones brought forward and shrunk slightly.
The XJS is also a very square design--angles and planes dominate, aside from those rear buttresses (which is one of the reasons early critics called it "designed by committee"). So those very vertical lights do stand out.
Also not sure about the new C pillar. The real XJS has a rear where all lines swoop towards a possible single converging point somewhere beyond the rear of the car. Just as the buttress drop down and the rear valence panel rises, the waistline also drops a little. This convergence is emphasized by the inner line of the C pillar, though slightly ameliorated with the facelifts. The rear spoiler also looks like an American muscle car to me.
The front is a lot neater, of course. I like the design of the actual nose: I'm just not sure it's mated with the lights and the sides smoothly.

I happen to think that the original design of the XJS is absolutely stunning--it was what first attracted it to me way back when I was a kid in high school. So my comments probably seem overly negative, but that's as it's very hard to improve on near-perfection. I'm not even sure where I'd begin, if I were to give the XJS a minor facelift like that.
 
Reply
Old May 22, 2018 | 10:49 PM
  #15  
Forcedair1's Avatar
Veteran Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,124
Likes: 368
From: Southern California
Default

Originally Posted by Greg in France
Stop trying to improve on perfection! The only non-Jaguar version of the XJS that has looked wonderful was this one:

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/art...er-pininfarina
But that's a totally different animal. Unless told so, nobody will ever even suspect that the subject is "Jag XJS". Just my take.
 
Reply
Old May 22, 2018 | 11:35 PM
  #16  
Forcedair1's Avatar
Veteran Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,124
Likes: 368
From: Southern California
Default

Originally Posted by Some Day, Some Day
Nice work. But nope, sorry, not doing it for me. The normal XJS design uses the headlights as a very strong lead point, with the bodywork sweeping back from there, and the grille as minimalist. The headlights, like in many classic Jags, aren't just stuck on the front (like they are on the current Tata models) but essentially ARE the front. This design retains that strong sweep back from the headlight, but adds what looks like a rather bulbous bit out to either side, going by the shadows. One reason I'm not a huge fan of the later XJSs is because of those enlarged body-coloured enlarged areas under the bumper. Perhaps if the lights were more faired in with the new nose...? Or staggered, perhaps--the inner ones brought forward and shrunk slightly.
The XJS is also a very square design--angles and planes dominate, aside from those rear buttresses (which is one of the reasons early critics called it "designed by committee"). So those very vertical lights do stand out.
Also not sure about the new C pillar. The real XJS has a rear where all lines swoop towards a possible single converging point somewhere beyond the rear of the car. Just as the buttress drop down and the rear valence panel rises, the waistline also drops a little. This convergence is emphasized by the inner line of the C pillar, though slightly ameliorated with the facelifts. The rear spoiler also looks like an American muscle car to me.
The front is a lot neater, of course. I like the design of the actual nose: I'm just not sure it's mated with the lights and the sides smoothly.

I happen to think that the original design of the XJS is absolutely stunning--it was what first attracted it to me way back when I was a kid in high school. So my comments probably seem overly negative, but that's as it's very hard to improve on near-perfection. I'm not even sure where I'd begin, if I were to give the XJS a minor facelift like that.
Oh no, your comments are NOT overly negative. I'm with you pretty much on everything, as the XJS design, its lines, angles and projections are very unique and it all comes together to a real master piece, but it is contingent upon preserving that shape very much as designed.

JigJag's idea is fine, but it alters the XJS sculpture and concept to where it is no longer an XJS, but I do like some lines of the last one, the rear window smooth C pillar swooping.

Now, if we want to enhance that great XJS front without altering its lines, this below would do that and still look absolutely "XJS" but with an exclamation point.

Cheers
 
Attached Thumbnails Recurring dream-cimg2180-reduced.jpg  

Last edited by Forcedair1; May 22, 2018 at 11:47 PM.
Reply
Old May 23, 2018 | 06:32 AM
  #17  
Greg in France's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 14,551
Likes: 10,737
From: France
Default

Anyone with any lingering doubt over just how awful the result of tampering with the XJS's peerless design can be, take a look at this hideous mess:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1987-JAGU...oAAOSwUl5bBG~q
It was a body conversion produced in the UK by a business called Banham. Do not try to improve on perfection!
 
Reply
Old May 23, 2018 | 06:47 AM
  #18  
Some Day, Some Day's Avatar
Veteran Member
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 2,047
Likes: 1,049
From: Japan
Default

Retitle the thread - "Recurring nightmare"....
 
Reply
Old May 23, 2018 | 07:00 AM
  #19  
bladerunner919's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 1,063
Likes: 534
From: Berks, UK
Default

Originally Posted by JigJag



To me, the back half looks like a Ford Capri?
 
Reply
Old May 23, 2018 | 08:10 PM
  #20  
Forcedair1's Avatar
Veteran Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,124
Likes: 368
From: Southern California
Default

Originally Posted by Greg in France
Anyone with any lingering doubt over just how awful the result of tampering with the XJS's peerless design can be, take a look at this hideous mess:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1987-JAGU...oAAOSwUl5bBG~q
It was a body conversion produced in the UK by a business called Banham. Do not try to improve on perfection!
Well, it is just because of the sublime achievement of the Jag XJS designers that most/any deviation from the original body panels, however small, will become immediately so hideous.

So, let's fight a little.....
It must be admitted, however, that on its second birth alterations -i.e. the (in)famous face lift- these engineers were again blessed with sublime inspiration because, in spite of some face-lift aggressive changes, the face-lift XJS stance was miraculously kept untouched and in my personal opinion the face-lift car has a "glory" to it that I fail to discern on the "pre" cars, especially the coup pre face-lift examples. Of course, a pre face-lift owner will never agree, but again....look at this paragraph's title....LOL
Cheers,
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:21 AM.