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Old Jan 14, 2024 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by LnrB
I'm sorry if I come across as a bit dense, maybe I am, but like a lot of other things in life, balancing dual (or more) carbs is probably Lawn Mower Simple IFF you know how! At the time I was new to anything Non-USA, had no one to show me what I was doing wrong, knew Nothing of specialized tools, so I had to fumble my way through best I could.

By the time the 18RG came along with dual Mikunies, it was a walk in the park and I never had to touch them after installation. I sold the car with those on. but don't look back fondly on my experience with dual side drafts!
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One thing I love to do at my age (75 ) is share with others the things and tricks I’ve learned.
I’m sorry if I come across as a grumpy curmudgeon. I honestly don’t intend that.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2024 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jagboi64
It's not a pretty engine, but it is impressive. I actually like that everything is on top and accessible. Once you get to the cam covers, there is hardly anything underneath that needs access. About the only thing is O2 sensors. Having the distributor, AC compressor and hoses, fuel rails and injectors and cruise control actuator in the center of the V generates much of the visual clutter.

Relatively little has to do with emissions. A modern programmable ignition system would get rid of most of the vacuum hoses, that was a mechanical way to give the engine the advance it needs, Take a look at a 1995-97 XJ12 sedan with the distributorless ignition, it's a bit cleaner. Although the coilpacks, plug wires, fuel rails and injectors are still in the V.
All that is needed to show the real beauty of the engine is careful movement and dressing of the engine. The alternator is far too massive for the required amperage. The power steering pump can easily be replaced with a pump body only with a remote reservoir. Making room to move the A/C compressor out of the V clearing that whole area of a mess. With the later 6.0 eliminate the coil packs by using coil over plugs and again cleaning up the engine. The injector rails are far too bulky and complex. Use something like the rails for the Atlas 4200 engine. The throttle bodies can be replaced by the throttle bodies of the 6 cylinder 4.0 to gain added power potential and a simpler cleaner unit.
OK it will no longer look original. However now it will look like something Sir Lyons would put his personal stamp of approval
 
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Old Jan 14, 2024 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mguar
I’m sorry you’re having trouble with such simple ( lawn mower simple) carburators. I hope you are using something like a Unisyn? That’s the best $15 I ever spent but that was its price back in the 1960’s..
Yes I have a unisyn, but it's also dealing with non original carbs with wrong needles, linkage that was made to work and also isn't original (or the same length side to side) and a whole host of other things. Tuning and balancing a set of original triple SU's on a 3.8 or 4.2 E Type is easy for me, this particular V12 isn't playing nice.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2024 | 03:17 AM
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That makes a lot of sense. Now I understand your difficulty. I assume you’re trying to use a selection of carbs?
The SU guy in New York ( (name escapes me right now ) makes it easy but more expensive. He can sell you new correct needles and linkage parts. Joe Curto 718-762-7878

I dealt with the same thing, using 3 HD8’s from a MK 10 and a 4th from a Rover 2000. Once I sorted out the differences. Then using E85. My first attempt was to use the same UO needles and simply increase the jet by 20%.
Eventually I realized my problem wasn’t the carbs. But the distributor. The HE has a wildly different curve and vacuum advance/retard than the earlier carburetor distributor. Once I sorted that out I fell victims to the seasons. Pump grade E85 is seasonally adjusted for ethanol content. It varies from 51% ethanol in the middle of the winter to 82-85 % ethanol in the heat of summer. Further compounded by fuel delivery schedule.
The solution was to order it from race fuel suppliers. That is a full 85% ethanol and a higher grade of gasoline. That brings its cost up to the price of premium. But it’s always consistent and you don’t need to worry that it’s sat in an underground storage tank too long.
 

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Old Jan 15, 2024 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Mguar
That makes a lot of sense. Now I understand your difficulty. I assume you’re trying to use a selection of carbs?
The owner bought the SU conversion kit from Burlen, and it's a challenge to get everything working correctly. The HIF44's don't have an idle air bypass for example, so idle speed is adjusted by opening the throttle plate. That means the butterflies have to be adjusted perfectly to ensure they open in sync, yet each set of 3 cylinder doesn't draw quite the same amount of air, and then I have to compensate for the slop in the linkage. Of course access to the adjusting nuts on the linkage isn't easy, so It's very time consuming to get right.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2024 | 01:16 PM
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Back on the original topic, in a very weird way I actually like the looks of the V12 "mess". When someone asks to see the engine, there is usually some version of "whoa!?" when they see it, followed by "you actually do the work on that?". It's kind of funny.

Since the beast will never have the looks of a polished XK engine, no matter how hard one might try, I think the "mess" is a wonderful tribute to an under-resourced engineering team trying to adapt to a rapidly changing regulatory world. For that it has its own beyond skin deep beauty.

 
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