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Jack;
That is the key, parts cars. Turns an expensive part into nearly free. I buy rust free cars for $500 or less. If they are parts cars a tittle isn’t needed, simple Bill of sale will do, have it notarized if really concerned but in my lifetime it’s never been an issue. Same with keys. Sure it’s nice to have a set of keys in case you ever need to rekey yours. But that’s a powerful tool to use to lower the price.
If somebody has gone in and taken the engine apart or whatever the price just got lower still.
If you really want keys and a tittle buy from the insurance sites. You’d be amazed at how many older cars sell for scrap metal prices. Damaged fenders etc. even Engine fires almost alway turn into scrap metal bids. Engine fires ruin wiring but chance are very great nothing else is ruined.
That is the key, parts cars. Turns an expensive part into nearly free. I buy rust free cars for $500 or less. If they are parts cars a tittle isn’t needed, simple Bill of sale will do, have it notarized if really concerned but in my lifetime it’s never been an issue. Same with keys. Sure it’s nice to have a set of keys in case you ever need to rekey yours. But that’s a powerful tool to use to lower the price.
If somebody has gone in and taken the engine apart or whatever the price just got lower still.
If you really want keys and a tittle buy from the insurance sites. You’d be amazed at how many older cars sell for scrap metal prices. Damaged fenders etc. even Engine fires almost alway turn into scrap metal bids. Engine fires ruin wiring but chance are very great nothing else is ruined.
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Coming in late as usual.
I am with Greg, and most of you.
If you are not prepared to DIY a V12 Jag, dont buy one.
They will be sadly neglected, and when you start, the amount of neglect will have you wondering how the damn thing ran at all.
I have had a lot of Jags, and the V12's have been a challenge, but some of the earlier stuff., OH DEAR, they tested this human to the extreme.
My 85HE came as a better car than most, but I knew what to look at, and what to RUN away from.
After the Honeymoon period it came OFF the road.
Engine out, oil leaks its easier out of the car.
Front cradle out
Rear cradle out
Seats out
Fuel tank out
ETC ETC.
Rebuilt the lot, engine stayed in one piece, as it was still just fine, just leaked oil, OE suspension rubber NO exceptions.Trans refreashed by the specialists, as Auto trans are still "smoke and mirrors" to me.
Dana OUT, Salisbury IN.
Began repairing the engine bay wiring, STUPID. The car was 12 years old remember.
Rewired it 100%, altered the layout to suit ME. Removed a lot of electrical items OUT of the engine bay, and that made a huge difference.
3 months later, back on the road, and I worked 5 1/2 days a week at that time.
Reliability, WOW, once the initial settling took place, the bonnet was rarely lifted for anything but oil changes etc.It was THAT GOOD.
Drove it around Australia, 25000kms, one idiot light switch failure $15. THATS ALL.
The V!2 as it is as an awesome beast, and when its "on song" the warm and fuzzies are not printable here, HA.
SO FEW V12's are actually running "on song" and the owners dont know the difference, and that is SAD.
NOW
I am 71, and barely able to walk.
The X Type, got to luv that THING.
Changed the fuel filter the other day, it took me longer to get from vertical to laying alongside the car, than it did to change the bloody filter, it was that easy (quick connect at the filter damn), unlike the XJS, where you need 6 beers at least, just to get started on it.
If and when they invent a "quick connect" lower leg, I will be back in an XJS in less than a heartbeat, and the SAME rebuild will be mandatory, and I reckon the same Australia Road Trip will be a must.
I am with Greg, and most of you.
If you are not prepared to DIY a V12 Jag, dont buy one.
They will be sadly neglected, and when you start, the amount of neglect will have you wondering how the damn thing ran at all.
I have had a lot of Jags, and the V12's have been a challenge, but some of the earlier stuff., OH DEAR, they tested this human to the extreme.
My 85HE came as a better car than most, but I knew what to look at, and what to RUN away from.
After the Honeymoon period it came OFF the road.
Engine out, oil leaks its easier out of the car.
Front cradle out
Rear cradle out
Seats out
Fuel tank out
ETC ETC.
Rebuilt the lot, engine stayed in one piece, as it was still just fine, just leaked oil, OE suspension rubber NO exceptions.Trans refreashed by the specialists, as Auto trans are still "smoke and mirrors" to me.
Dana OUT, Salisbury IN.
Began repairing the engine bay wiring, STUPID. The car was 12 years old remember.
Rewired it 100%, altered the layout to suit ME. Removed a lot of electrical items OUT of the engine bay, and that made a huge difference.
3 months later, back on the road, and I worked 5 1/2 days a week at that time.
Reliability, WOW, once the initial settling took place, the bonnet was rarely lifted for anything but oil changes etc.It was THAT GOOD.
Drove it around Australia, 25000kms, one idiot light switch failure $15. THATS ALL.
The V!2 as it is as an awesome beast, and when its "on song" the warm and fuzzies are not printable here, HA.
SO FEW V12's are actually running "on song" and the owners dont know the difference, and that is SAD.
NOW
I am 71, and barely able to walk.
The X Type, got to luv that THING.
Changed the fuel filter the other day, it took me longer to get from vertical to laying alongside the car, than it did to change the bloody filter, it was that easy (quick connect at the filter damn), unlike the XJS, where you need 6 beers at least, just to get started on it.
If and when they invent a "quick connect" lower leg, I will be back in an XJS in less than a heartbeat, and the SAME rebuild will be mandatory, and I reckon the same Australia Road Trip will be a must.
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Maybe this works. We'll see.
I went to ebay and in the search I typed xjs convertible. Lots of results. Lots. Some v12 some not.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Jaguar-XJS-1990-JAGUAR-XJS-CONVERTIBLE-49K-ORIGINAL-MILES-/274612692297?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292
I went to ebay and in the search I typed xjs convertible. Lots of results. Lots. Some v12 some not.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Jaguar-XJS-1990-JAGUAR-XJS-CONVERTIBLE-49K-ORIGINAL-MILES-/274612692297?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292
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Maybe this works. We'll see.
I went to ebay and in the search I typed xjs convertible. Lots of results. Lots. Some v12 some not.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Jaguar-XJS-1990-JAGUAR-XJS-CONVERTIBLE-49K-ORIGINAL-MILES-/274612692297?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292
I went to ebay and in the search I typed xjs convertible. Lots of results. Lots. Some v12 some not.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Jaguar-XJS-1990-JAGUAR-XJS-CONVERTIBLE-49K-ORIGINAL-MILES-/274612692297?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292
A beauty, and as I've said 100 times, great cosmetics are a huge plus because they're so expensive to put right.
But.....
The description basically tells us nothing about the car other than:
UP FOR SALE IS A CLEAN AND ORIGINAL 1990 JAGUAR XJS CONVERTIBLE WITH 49,423 ACTUAL MILES
CLEAN AND CLEAR TITLE IN HAND
CLEAN CARFAX AVAILABLE
V-12 ENGINE
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
HIGHLY OPTIONED
NEW TIRES
WELL MAINTAINED AND GARAGE KEPT
RUNS DRIVES SHIFTS AND STOPS GREAT
Big deal.
A month's pay says this car will have most or all of the "usual" XJS issues......unless proven otherwise.
Want to buy an XJS that will far more likely give you a happy experience? Then look for one that has been owned by an enthusiast. The ad copy will read something more like this: All electric problems repaired, brake and cooling systems overhauled, climate control 100% functional. Ball joints, suspension bushings, rack bushings all replaced. Fuel hoses replaced....." etc etc
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That pretty much sums it up.
They're not for everybody.
It's a bit like owning a boat. If you don't enjoy the process of upkeep, you'll never ever be happy.
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DD
They're not for everybody.
It's a bit like owning a boat. If you don't enjoy the process of upkeep, you'll never ever be happy.
Cheers
DD
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Yea the link worked. One quite impressive Jag Other then a few small dents in the passenger door and one in the rear 1/4 panel. It appears to be a very nice if not excellent example of a XJS. I'd sure want to see and inspect it myself. to be sure it's as good as it looks. Cause we all know, If it looks to good to be True? It usually is.
Just my thoughts. Hey Mac if you buy this one it'll almost be like it never left.
Jack
Just my thoughts. Hey Mac if you buy this one it'll almost be like it never left.
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Yea the link worked. One quite impressive Jag Other then a few small dents in the passenger door and one in the rear 1/4 panel. It appears to be a very nice if not excellent example of a XJS. I'd sure want to see and inspect it myself. to be sure it's as good as it looks. Cause we all know, If it looks to good to be True? It usually is.
Just my thoughts. Hey Mac if you buy this one it'll almost be like it never left.
Jack
Just my thoughts. Hey Mac if you buy this one it'll almost be like it never left.
Jack
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Reading all these comments about how unreliable the cars are, I do have to wonder what people are paying for their cars in the first place. Bargain-basement Jags are never going to be as reliable as a Toyota. How many people on this forum have spent the cash to buy a really top-quality example, and what sort of issues have they had, as opposed to those who got something off eBay for a couple of thousand?
My V12 car was on the lower end of ones for sale over in Japan, but still about US$12,000, which seems definitely on the high end for US prices. Does that reflect more crappy cars being sold in the US? Or is it just low demand and high supply? My car certainly needed a lot doing to her in the first year or so. But this year, for example, she's only been in the shop for consumables--brake discs and pads, and so on. Last month I jumped in her and drove her down to Kyoto, around the city, and back up via the scenic route, without a third thought (okay, there was a slight second thought, but only slight). So she's certainly not unreliable once the core issues are sorted. And as far as I can tell, she drives just like she should. (Hard to tell without anything to compare her to, of course....)
My V12 car was on the lower end of ones for sale over in Japan, but still about US$12,000, which seems definitely on the high end for US prices. Does that reflect more crappy cars being sold in the US? Or is it just low demand and high supply? My car certainly needed a lot doing to her in the first year or so. But this year, for example, she's only been in the shop for consumables--brake discs and pads, and so on. Last month I jumped in her and drove her down to Kyoto, around the city, and back up via the scenic route, without a third thought (okay, there was a slight second thought, but only slight). So she's certainly not unreliable once the core issues are sorted. And as far as I can tell, she drives just like she should. (Hard to tell without anything to compare her to, of course....)
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Reading all these comments about how unreliable the cars are, I do have to wonder what people are paying for their cars in the first place. Bargain-basement Jags are never going to be as reliable as a Toyota. How many people on this forum have spent the cash to buy a really top-quality example, and what sort of issues have they had, as opposed to those who got something off eBay for a couple of thousand?
My V12 car was on the lower end of ones for sale over in Japan, but still about US$12,000, which seems definitely on the high end for US prices. Does that reflect more crappy cars being sold in the US? Or is it just low demand and high supply? My car certainly needed a lot doing to her in the first year or so. But this year, for example, she's only been in the shop for consumables--brake discs and pads, and so on. Last month I jumped in her and drove her down to Kyoto, around the city, and back up via the scenic route, without a third thought (okay, there was a slight second thought, but only slight). So she's certainly not unreliable once the core issues are sorted. And as far as I can tell, she drives just like she should. (Hard to tell without anything to compare her to, of course....)
https://youtu.be/XVdciTML3ls
My V12 car was on the lower end of ones for sale over in Japan, but still about US$12,000, which seems definitely on the high end for US prices. Does that reflect more crappy cars being sold in the US? Or is it just low demand and high supply? My car certainly needed a lot doing to her in the first year or so. But this year, for example, she's only been in the shop for consumables--brake discs and pads, and so on. Last month I jumped in her and drove her down to Kyoto, around the city, and back up via the scenic route, without a third thought (okay, there was a slight second thought, but only slight). So she's certainly not unreliable once the core issues are sorted. And as far as I can tell, she drives just like she should. (Hard to tell without anything to compare her to, of course....)
https://youtu.be/XVdciTML3ls
1968, 1st car, Jag MK VII, $300. Drove that thing all over Australia, after a simple refresh of a few items, hoses, oil change, air cleaner wash out and reoil, and that was it.
?? Mk X 3.8, FREE, if you can start it, you can have it, DEAL. Switched the wires on the coil, drove iy away. Killa car.
?? 1964 3.4 S type, $7K, Ex Hardy's Wine MD car, and damn near showroom. Pased to my dad, until his passing, stored now for that "one day".
Too many gaps, but shiiit loads of Jags.
1994, $12k, S2 Daimler 4.2ltr, wifes first Jag, along with the S2 V12. That Daimler was a CAR, just hit all the warm and fuzzy nerves.
1994 The 1985 HE Coupe. $23K. AWESOME car, and anyone reading any of my posts knows the travels we did in that beast.
1995, S2 XJ12, Fuel Infected. Ex Sir Arthur Rymil car. Could NOT kill that car, and the wife tried, and now in the care of a collector in Alice Springs.
2008, X300 3.2ltr, base Model. $9k. Drove it over 140k kms in 5 years, AWESOME is a different way.
2013, X200 S Type 3ltr V6, $11.5k, what can you say, great car, killed by a runaway Landcruiser, while I was shopping, oops.
2018, A 2010 X400 X Type LE 2.1 V6. $10k, Hated the X Type back in 2002, but this last off the line is magnificent, and at 71, probably see me out.
As for value for money, STUPID ASK. I shopped, I walked away, I ran away, and I purchased. NO regrets, what other car is there, REALLY, have I missed something in the motoring world, I think NOT.
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Jack,
Maybe.
The MK VII leaked when it rained, badly, so I drilled holes in floor to let it out, as you do.
The MK X rusted away, and basically bent in the middle.
Many, many hours on most of the others to get them where I was happy. Honestly, I had NO idea in most cases, just kept at it until I got it.
Working in the Industry was probably my sanity fuse, as I had "elders" to ask, and back then, they were only too happy to assist in any way.
Maybe.
The MK VII leaked when it rained, badly, so I drilled holes in floor to let it out, as you do.
The MK X rusted away, and basically bent in the middle.
Many, many hours on most of the others to get them where I was happy. Honestly, I had NO idea in most cases, just kept at it until I got it.
Working in the Industry was probably my sanity fuse, as I had "elders" to ask, and back then, they were only too happy to assist in any way.
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The reason Jaguars are so stupid cheap here in America is 1/2 of Jaguars production came here. So the is an abundance of them. Second Jaguars are usually on the leading edge of technology.
Accordingly it takes someone with an above average intelligence to understand them and how to work on them. Most mechanics are of the monkey see monkey do training, rather than someone who pulls out the manuals and figures things out. With Jaguars relatively rare as compared to Chevy/Ford/Toyota/etc the monkey see monkey do mechanics, have few others to follow.
With the complexity and exclusivity Dealerships are free to charge a premium. Evan for the Mundane tasks. Which makes ownership far too expensive. Accordingly depreciation drives prices down until repairs exceed the value of the car. That’s when they sit.
That’s when they are a real value for the intelligent DIY guy.
Accordingly it takes someone with an above average intelligence to understand them and how to work on them. Most mechanics are of the monkey see monkey do training, rather than someone who pulls out the manuals and figures things out. With Jaguars relatively rare as compared to Chevy/Ford/Toyota/etc the monkey see monkey do mechanics, have few others to follow.
With the complexity and exclusivity Dealerships are free to charge a premium. Evan for the Mundane tasks. Which makes ownership far too expensive. Accordingly depreciation drives prices down until repairs exceed the value of the car. That’s when they sit.
That’s when they are a real value for the intelligent DIY guy.
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But I don't think it's a matter of intelligence, exactly. I'd say "willingness to learn".
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I've purchased two 1996 XJS', both nearly identical. Both were used as daily drivers.
The first one I paid $10k. It had 60,000 miles, and the owner had some work done, like upgrading all shocks to Bilsteins. I ended up spending money replacing coils, bushings, gaskets, transmission mounts and really not too much else. It was great until I was rear ended three years later.
The second one I paid $8k, same amount of miles! I purchased remotely, from Indiana, and it looked good in pictures. The inside was a little more rough, but I still had the rear ended car, so I transplanted what I could. I have spent more on this car, bringing it back. Replaced the same stuff as on the first one, but then I went down a rabbit hole trying to resolve a high LTFT. Ended up throwing parts at it, but they were all original parts anyways, so it didn't really hurt. I also replaced the shocks and exhaust manifolds. I also spent $2k on a good respray. (It was worth the money in the amount of time and effort he spent perfecting the body actually, the paint is ok, certainly good enough for a daily driver).
So time and money spent is really unknown, but I figure I have probably averaged about $400/year in parts, with my own labor to install, with this one since 2013?
The first one I paid $10k. It had 60,000 miles, and the owner had some work done, like upgrading all shocks to Bilsteins. I ended up spending money replacing coils, bushings, gaskets, transmission mounts and really not too much else. It was great until I was rear ended three years later.
The second one I paid $8k, same amount of miles! I purchased remotely, from Indiana, and it looked good in pictures. The inside was a little more rough, but I still had the rear ended car, so I transplanted what I could. I have spent more on this car, bringing it back. Replaced the same stuff as on the first one, but then I went down a rabbit hole trying to resolve a high LTFT. Ended up throwing parts at it, but they were all original parts anyways, so it didn't really hurt. I also replaced the shocks and exhaust manifolds. I also spent $2k on a good respray. (It was worth the money in the amount of time and effort he spent perfecting the body actually, the paint is ok, certainly good enough for a daily driver).
So time and money spent is really unknown, but I figure I have probably averaged about $400/year in parts, with my own labor to install, with this one since 2013?