what would it cost
i still think Japanese cars will last longer than any jaguar!
of course my self destructive personality gets in the way! i have owned a 78 XJS for 27 yrs!
or just maybe Jaguars are like toy play cars!
never meant to be excellant daily drivers, for years on end, with minimal service !
ron
of course my self destructive personality gets in the way! i have owned a 78 XJS for 27 yrs!
or just maybe Jaguars are like toy play cars!
never meant to be excellant daily drivers, for years on end, with minimal service !
ron
Ditto here. The 6cyl cars are far more dependable and easier to work on. The OBDII cars even more so. That said, my 93 6cyl has 208K on it. What repairs have been done are not Jaguar, just old car/high mileage induced. It's never stranded me in the 15yrs of ownership and is a "daily driver". As a sidebar, it just went thru emissions and gave readings even the inspection guys were impressed with for year and mileage. Buy any 6cyl post-91 with good documentation and you're good to go.
my neighbor has an early GM! pickup truck ,1st series LS engine, said it has 374K miles on it , I looked speedo YUP 374 thousand miles !
finally the trans let go, so he is getting ready for scrape!
i have spoken with 2 GM delivery van guys, both LS engined , over 400 thousand miles, minor maintenance stuff, !
ron
finally the trans let go, so he is getting ready for scrape!
i have spoken with 2 GM delivery van guys, both LS engined , over 400 thousand miles, minor maintenance stuff, !
ron
to add , i have had my 78 XJS V12 since 1993, NOW do you think i have learned a lot about Jaguars , YES!
and i respect them but there are many automobiles that belive are better engineerd!
and i respect them but there are many automobiles that belive are better engineerd!
my neighbor has an early GM! pickup truck ,1st series LS engine, said it has 374K miles on it , I looked speedo YUP 374 thousand miles !
finally the trans let go, so he is getting ready for scrape!
i have spoken with 2 GM delivery van guys, both LS engined , over 400 thousand miles, minor maintenance stuff, !
ron
finally the trans let go, so he is getting ready for scrape!
i have spoken with 2 GM delivery van guys, both LS engined , over 400 thousand miles, minor maintenance stuff, !
ron
There is no solution to that problem. Well, that's not true. You could rip out the entire electrical system and replace the entire system.
That means removing and replacing the ECM and the Security system with something from another manufacturer. Not a realistic solution.
Or you would have to literally go through the entire system. Inspect every connection and replace every switch with a new heavy duty switch.
Coat all the connections with an anti-oxidant gel. And then maybe, just maybe you could trust it. I just wouldn't bet on it.
Take my advice for what it's worth. Because, I'm literally burned out from all the electrical issues on my Jags.
That means removing and replacing the ECM and the Security system with something from another manufacturer. Not a realistic solution.
Or you would have to literally go through the entire system. Inspect every connection and replace every switch with a new heavy duty switch.
Coat all the connections with an anti-oxidant gel. And then maybe, just maybe you could trust it. I just wouldn't bet on it.
Take my advice for what it's worth. Because, I'm literally burned out from all the electrical issues on my Jags.
The reason Jaguars are so stupid cheap here in America is 1/2 of Jaguars production came here. So the is an abundance of them. Second Jaguars are usually on the leading edge of technology.
Accordingly it takes someone with an above average intelligence to understand them and how to work on them. Most mechanics are of the monkey see monkey do training, rather than someone who pulls out the manuals and figures things out. With Jaguars relatively rare as compared to Chevy/Ford/Toyota/etc the monkey see monkey do mechanics, have few others to follow.
With the complexity and exclusivity Dealerships are free to charge a premium. Evan for the Mundane tasks. Which makes ownership far too expensive. Accordingly depreciation drives prices down until repairs exceed the value of the car. That’s when they sit.
That’s when they are a real value for the intelligent DIY guy.
Accordingly it takes someone with an above average intelligence to understand them and how to work on them. Most mechanics are of the monkey see monkey do training, rather than someone who pulls out the manuals and figures things out. With Jaguars relatively rare as compared to Chevy/Ford/Toyota/etc the monkey see monkey do mechanics, have few others to follow.
With the complexity and exclusivity Dealerships are free to charge a premium. Evan for the Mundane tasks. Which makes ownership far too expensive. Accordingly depreciation drives prices down until repairs exceed the value of the car. That’s when they sit.
That’s when they are a real value for the intelligent DIY guy.
I bought my 1998 Chevy Silverado in 2000 33,000 miles it now has 255,456.36 miles on it. It still has factory plugs, Transmission fluid never changed, regular oil change and 1 fuel pump. Runs like a Champ, does not use oil, does not smoke, been pulling my 32 foot Partyhut pontoon for 20 years. Looks like **** , been thru Hell but would not trade it, it is my work horse. Also a 1992 Isuzu Pickup 165,000 miles, only oil change and everything works, can sit for months at a time and fires right up. My 1999 Mercedes SL500 almost mint condition, no problems at all, drive it with confidence, just oil changes.
Why then are some people infatuated with Jaguars. Their shortcomings are well established.
I can’t speak for all, some see the car as a status item. While others appreciate the luxury. As for me? I see Jaguars as wonderful performance at a bargain.
There is no free lunch. Power, performance, luxury, status. You get one. Choose wisely.
I bought my 1998 Chevy Silverado in 2000 33,000 miles it now has 255,456.36 miles on it. It still has factory plugs, Transmission fluid never changed, regular oil change and 1 fuel pump. Runs like a Champ, does not use oil, does not smoke, been pulling my 32 foot Partyhut pontoon for 20 years. Looks like **** , been thru Hell but would not trade it, it is my work horse. Also a 1992 Isuzu Pickup 165,000 miles, only oil change and everything works, can sit for months at a time and fires right up. My 1999 Mercedes SL500 almost mint condition, no problems at all, drive it with confidence, just oil changes.
Personal experience plays a large part in the shaping of our attitudes and opinions, be it cars, politics, relationships, family....you name it.
Like most everyone here I've owned dozens of cars. I've had better luck with some than others. I've had a mid-90s vintage Chevy truck and Suburban that need engine and transmission replacements before 100k miles, and fuel pumps, and a/c compressors, rainwater leaks, and...and.
I've also has a couple Hondas which served very well in the grand scheme of things....but still needed head gaskets replaced, various electric switches replaced, cooling fans replaced, wheel bearing failures, window motor failures, etc.
Toyota Avalon that soldiered on admirably until 250k miles when the head gaskets finally let go....but a slew of the special luxury features had given up the ghost long before that, not to mention wheel bearing failures, bushing failures, and assorted electrical problems along the way.
My 1995 F250...a great old truck that I really like....leaks wayyyy more oil that any Jag I've ever owned, required two new exhaust manifolds, a transmission overhaul, front suspension overhaul, fuel pumps replaced, and a slew of (essentially) ordinary repairs. Starter, alternator etc
I could go on for hours.
So, from my perspective, based on my experience, cars that need repairs are nothing new. They've all needed repairs. It's just part of my life; I have no expectation of trouble-free car ownership. Owning old Jags is just more of the same....except that you really gotta learn the tricks and enjoy DIY repairs, as darn few of us here could afford to have the work done by a repair shop
Cheers
DD
Oh, hell, almost nothing....I never go anywhere these days. 250 miles?
With my other old Jags I'd knock off 400 miles a day on a road trip without giving it a second thought. I think the longest distance from home was about 750 miles in my XJS
Cheers
DD
I don't doubt a word of what you've said.
Personal experience plays a large part in the shaping of our attitudes and opinions, be it cars, politics, relationships, family....you name it.
Like most everyone here I've owned dozens of cars. I've had better luck with some than others. I've had a mid-90s vintage Chevy truck and Suburban that need engine and transmission replacements before 100k miles, and fuel pumps, and a/c compressors, rainwater leaks, and...and.
I've also has a couple Hondas which served very well in the grand scheme of things....but still needed head gaskets replaced, various electric switches replaced, cooling fans replaced, wheel bearing failures, window motor failures, etc.
Toyota Avalon that soldiered on admirably until 250k miles when the head gaskets finally let go....but a slew of the special luxury features had given up the ghost long before that, not to mention wheel bearing failures, bushing failures, and assorted electrical problems along the way.
My 1995 F250...a great old truck that I really like....leaks wayyyy more oil that any Jag I've ever owned, required two new exhaust manifolds, a transmission overhaul, front suspension overhaul, fuel pumps replaced, and a slew of (essentially) ordinary repairs. Starter, alternator etc
I could go on for hours.
So, from my perspective, based on my experience, cars that need repairs are nothing new. They've all needed repairs. It's just part of my life; I have no expectation of trouble-free car ownership. Owning old Jags is just more of the same....except that you really gotta learn the tricks and enjoy DIY repairs, as darn few of us here could afford to have the work done by a repair shop
Cheers
DD
Personal experience plays a large part in the shaping of our attitudes and opinions, be it cars, politics, relationships, family....you name it.
Like most everyone here I've owned dozens of cars. I've had better luck with some than others. I've had a mid-90s vintage Chevy truck and Suburban that need engine and transmission replacements before 100k miles, and fuel pumps, and a/c compressors, rainwater leaks, and...and.
I've also has a couple Hondas which served very well in the grand scheme of things....but still needed head gaskets replaced, various electric switches replaced, cooling fans replaced, wheel bearing failures, window motor failures, etc.
Toyota Avalon that soldiered on admirably until 250k miles when the head gaskets finally let go....but a slew of the special luxury features had given up the ghost long before that, not to mention wheel bearing failures, bushing failures, and assorted electrical problems along the way.
My 1995 F250...a great old truck that I really like....leaks wayyyy more oil that any Jag I've ever owned, required two new exhaust manifolds, a transmission overhaul, front suspension overhaul, fuel pumps replaced, and a slew of (essentially) ordinary repairs. Starter, alternator etc
I could go on for hours.
So, from my perspective, based on my experience, cars that need repairs are nothing new. They've all needed repairs. It's just part of my life; I have no expectation of trouble-free car ownership. Owning old Jags is just more of the same....except that you really gotta learn the tricks and enjoy DIY repairs, as darn few of us here could afford to have the work done by a repair shop
Cheers
DD
To the OP... GO.GET.A.....V12 and cut it out.
Honestly, I will never buy another Jag. I probably should fade away, except I have come to like some of the people here and they have gone out of their way to help me with Jag issues. In time I will wean myself off the forum.
Stay Mac, you will provide much needed perspective! And we can amuse ourselves teasing you...









