$100k car vs $1 oring.
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$100k car vs $1 oring.
The oring that goes into this hose: https://i.imgur.com/ekKD9jN.jpg
Ended up looking like this: https://i.imgur.com/AfH6WF5.jpg
And dumping all my coolant all over my engine, the ground, and many other places. It's an incredibly dumb way it's designed, I can think of a thousand better ways to attach a hose. Had I not caught it, it would have completely nuked.
I took everything apart, thinking there was no way that that ring's condition would have caused all this. However, when popped a new one in, fired it up, let it warm up, took it for a spin, ran it hard, not a single drop of coolant escaped.
Ended up looking like this: https://i.imgur.com/AfH6WF5.jpg
And dumping all my coolant all over my engine, the ground, and many other places. It's an incredibly dumb way it's designed, I can think of a thousand better ways to attach a hose. Had I not caught it, it would have completely nuked.
I took everything apart, thinking there was no way that that ring's condition would have caused all this. However, when popped a new one in, fired it up, let it warm up, took it for a spin, ran it hard, not a single drop of coolant escaped.
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That o-ring wouldn't be subject to change, or even inspection during typical maintenance. It did deterioriate, likely due to age, pressure, and exposure.
The thing I don't get is, you have a hundred points where hoses connect to metal, they slide over, and have a band going around them to keep them attached. It's standard practice, no o-ring involved to fail. However, this one hoses is different, and seemingly doesn't have to be. So why add a point of failure(o-ring) when you could do it like every other hose in the car?
Edit: After giving it some more thought, I think I figured it out. I bet it's a blow-off hose. The type of connection that the clip has is not very strong at all, compared to a slip over and tighten type connection. I think the hose may be designed to blow off if the pressure gets to high, such as due to a failed t-stat. This would result in a mess on the engine, but it would be pretty clear you'd want to stop right away, but it wouldn't ruin the engine.
The thing I don't get is, you have a hundred points where hoses connect to metal, they slide over, and have a band going around them to keep them attached. It's standard practice, no o-ring involved to fail. However, this one hoses is different, and seemingly doesn't have to be. So why add a point of failure(o-ring) when you could do it like every other hose in the car?
Edit: After giving it some more thought, I think I figured it out. I bet it's a blow-off hose. The type of connection that the clip has is not very strong at all, compared to a slip over and tighten type connection. I think the hose may be designed to blow off if the pressure gets to high, such as due to a failed t-stat. This would result in a mess on the engine, but it would be pretty clear you'd want to stop right away, but it wouldn't ruin the engine.
Last edited by nasomi; 10-17-2016 at 09:03 AM.
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That doesn't make much sense though, this is the purpose of the pressure release and coolant expansion tank. I can't think of any car manufacturer designing a blowoff hose that dumps all the coolant.
This is what you said, an unusual mating method. I can't say whether it is a bad design though, you are the only person to have a problem with this so it doesn't seem to be a widespread failure point. For you it is for sure! Finding an o-ring that fails in an 8 year old car isn't a terrible surprise, the location and use is the strange part.
This is what you said, an unusual mating method. I can't say whether it is a bad design though, you are the only person to have a problem with this so it doesn't seem to be a widespread failure point. For you it is for sure! Finding an o-ring that fails in an 8 year old car isn't a terrible surprise, the location and use is the strange part.
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I think O-rings have their place, especially where the sealing surface is narrow. But, O-rings have a nasty habit of slipping out of place on assembly, hence pinching and subsequent leaking.
For many years I have smeared a very, very light coat of silicon sealant on O-rings, just enough to hold it in place. Never had a subsequent leak.
For many years I have smeared a very, very light coat of silicon sealant on O-rings, just enough to hold it in place. Never had a subsequent leak.
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I agree with you, that is an odd choice in the design. In every car I have ever owned coolant line connections are clamped or compression fitted. I can't recall many matings that had an o-ring. You would think they would just have the hose go over a nipple and have a clamp ring on it...
Not sure if I understand the rational for using such connector vs. the "normal" hose-clamp version as, no doubt, this connector is more complex and costs more than a slip-on, clamp-secured one.
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For me it would be a part subject to change. Whenever, I buy a used car that is a few years old I always have my mechanic put all new hoses and ancillary parts [o-ring in this case].
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