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Old 05-12-2018, 04:58 PM
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Hello everyone, I have a quick question for you guys maybe someone has experienced these issues and can guide me. 2007 XKR got the “cat failure” message on the screen. Also yesturday it started with fans turning on as soon as I turn on the car. They are at full speed right from the start. And when I shut the car off they also run for about a minute after. Also, i got the “battery not charging” warning as well. All this the same day and at the same time. Any ideas or suggestions will help thanks
 

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I think the typical response is , what is the battery voltage at rest car off. How old is the battery . Start there.
 
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Definitely - suspect the battery first! It may seem contrary to common sense that a failing battery would start the fans going, but battery failure in these cars - and that means not only a battery at the end of its life, but a battery that has not been kept fully charged (and this can happen despite being used almost daily if the runs are short) - produces a great variety of electronic issues - warning lights, outside lights coming on, wipers moving, top not latching, touchscreen freezing, windows and seats not behaving...the list is very long. In virtually every case there is nothing wrong with the component. The problem is that the module which controls the component is not receiving full voltage - and bizarrely, this means that components you have not switched on, can become active.
So, the battery first. If it is more than 4-5 years old, replace it (and be aware that new batteries are NOT fully charged in most cases); the best advice for the XK models: obtain a CTEK battery maintainer and use it when the car is not actually in use. Photo of a resting XK (note the CTEK charger on the floor):
 
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Thanks for your responses. So I checked te voltage on the battery with the car off and shows the voltage to be 11.58 is that normal? Or is it low? I just took the battery off and im heading to autozone to get it charged.
 
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That's way low, it should be at 12.6 minimum. A good long charge on a REAL charger and not a maintainer or trickle charger MAY wake it up, but you will probably need to replace it soonish.
 
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Thanks for your responses. So I checked te voltage on the battery with the car off and shows the voltage to be 11.58 is that normal? Or is it low? I just took the battery off and im heading to autozone to get it charged.
You didn't mention how old the battery is. Also while you have it at autozone have them do a Load Test also. That should give you an indication of the battery. I would say that at 11.58V your battery is bad. As mentioned it should be 12.6 volts at rest.
 
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Sorry I forgot that. Battery is only 2 months old
 

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Definitely - suspect the battery first! It may seem contrary to common sense that a failing battery would start the fans going, but battery failure in these cars - and that means not only a battery at the end of its life, but a battery that has not been kept fully charged (and this can happen despite being used almost daily if the runs are short) - produces a great variety of electronic issues - warning lights, outside lights coming on, wipers moving, top not latching, touchscreen freezing, windows and seats not behaving...the list is very long. In virtually every case there is nothing wrong with the component. The problem is that the module which controls the component is not receiving full voltage - and bizarrely, this means that components you have not switched on, can become active.
So, the battery first. If it is more than 4-5 years old, replace it (and be aware that new batteries are NOT fully charged in most cases); the best advice for the XK models: obtain a CTEK battery maintainer and use it when the car is not actually in use. Photo of a resting XK (note the CTEK charger on the floor):


You should be ashamed of yourself that your garage is so much cleaner/neater than mine!
 
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Ok i just went to pick up the battery and they told me the battery was got. It got fully charged. Put it back on and it still says battery not charging
 
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Ok i just went to pick up the battery and they told me the battery was got. It got fully charged. Put it back on and it still says battery not charging
Please measure the voltage again now that the battery supposedly is charged.
 
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Ok voltage now reads 13.06
 
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Ok voltage now reads 13.06
Maybe the alternator has failed. Pls start the car and measure the voltage while the engine is running to see if the voltage increases to 14.2V or more. If the voltage does not increase then the warning is valid.

Also, what is the odometer reading?
 

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You should be ashamed of yourself that your garage is so much cleaner/neater than mine!
The photo was taken from a select angle. A full garage shot would have displayed my messy inner self. But the Jags are always clean.
 
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Maybe the alternator has failed. Pls start the car and measure the voltage while the engine is running to see if the voltage increases to 14.2V or more. If the voltage does not increase then the warning is valid.

Also, what is the odometer reading?
Ok so I checked the voltage with the car running. Shows 13.29. Does that mean the alternator is no good? And the car has 100,800 miles on it.
 
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That isn't promising at all. Did you have on any lights, stereo, seat heat/steering wheel heat, stuff like that?
13.3 not great, but also far from good. Me, I'd turn on every power-draining thing in the car and try your test again. The more info, the better.
Again, doesn't seem promising so far.
 
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That isn't promising at all. Did you have on any lights, stereo, seat heat/steering wheel heat, stuff like that?
13.3 not great, but also far from good. Me, I'd turn on every power-draining thing in the car and try your test again. The more info, the better.
Again, doesn't seem promising so far.
no, nothing was on. I tried making sure everything was off before checking the voltage
 
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Ok so I checked the voltage with the car running. Shows 13.29. Does that mean the alternator is no good? And the car has 100,800 miles on it.
Yes, the alternator voltage output is too low. If you are going to work on this yourself, look at the repair manual, charging system info, section 414-00. It suggests checking fuse 5 in the rear junction box, seeing what DTC was logged, and making sure the associated wiring harness is not damaged. Look for a loose ground cable or a loose alternator output cable, for example.

It would be a good idea to follow the troubleshooting tree before deciding to replace the alternator. Good luck.
 

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Yes, check the cables. Another member, I think WhiteXKR, found he had a bad connection in the cable itself, between the wire and the connector. In his case, the wire/connector was ‘warm’ from the resistance due to the bad connection. He replaced the cable, all good. I don’t recall if it was the positive or negative cable, but check both for warmth.
 
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