It's baaaaad! I've only had this car for a few months and a few thousand miles. Purchased car with 28,000 miles 2010 XKR. I was in Sonoma California enjoying wine country with my lady and as I was headed home, I heard knocking from engine and limiter kicked in. I was on San Rafael bridge and when I pulled over there was horrific metal on metal noise coming from engine. I'm devastated. I got towed to Jaguar Marin. Here is the good news, I have a 6 month 6,000 mile service contract warranty with Axiom. I am so nervous as to what to expect next. Axiom asked for oil samples right off. I did nothing whatsoever to abuse this car. no racing etc. I purchased this car from a Jaguar dealership and they sold it as certified, so I'm sure oil was good as well as anything they would physically see. What in the f cking hell would have gone wrong? I check oil levels after running and no issues there including levels. I love this car so much, but I can't understand what would cause this. I still don't fully know what is wrong yet. The dealer thought possible bearing? I have no idea what will come next. This is so miserable. I don't even think I have a question for you all, I'm just venting to you nice folks. I saved a long time and looked for the best example and paid 30k cash. A couple of months later, whammo!

 

Airborne, I feel for you

I regularly drive with no music so I can hear (any issues with) the engine, That said ,I wasn't even aware of issues with my supercharger coupler until it was dyno'd (I rarely drive in that sort of rev range).

If you have the 5.0, then the main engine connection bearings can be seen here

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Range-Rover...r%7CModel%3AXK

I sincerely hope that you have no issues with your warranty company.

Mark

 

I'm sorry for your loss. Unfortunately I have heard too many engine blown stories on 5.0 cars. Happened to my friends 2010 Xkr at a little over 40k miles . This is why I'm sticking to a 4.2 Xkr for now and will probably not get a 5.0 car unless under warranty.

 

Airborne,

You need to get a copy of the complete extended service contract from Axiom. It is not a warranty because it's not from the manufacturer, Jaguar. It's an insurance policy from a third party unrelated to Jaguar.

Did you buy it, or did it come with the car when you bought it? You stated: "I purchased this car from a Jaguar dealership and they sold it as certified ..." Something's not right here. How can a 2010 XKR qualify for a Jaguar CPO warranty? A Jaguar CPO Warranty covers the vehicle for up to 7 years / 100,000 miles, whichever comes first. Although your XKR is below the mileage limit, it appears to have been beyond the 7-year age limit when you bought bought it. I suspect that it was previously sold as a CPO Jaguar and that's that's why the dealer included the Axiom extended service contract. He couldn't certify it, so he did the next best thing to get you to buy the car. Am I right?

If I'm right, your best approach would be through the Jaguar dealer who sold it to you. He's your strongest advocate for getting Axiom to pay up because he sells a lot of those contracts and they're very high profit products.

Good luck, and keep us posted. Remember that she ain't dead yet. One down, and 8 to go!

Stuart

 

Sounds like another timing chain victim. Sorry to hear that man, hope you're back on the road soon.

You can read into it here:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/xk-xkr-x150-33/5-0-timing-chain-new-information-attn-techs-159928/

Theres a few other threads on this, too. You can also google some info.

 

Airborne,
When I bought my 2010 XKR from a private party in 2013, I brought it to my mechanic who after listening to the engine for 30 seconds, announced to me and the previous owner that it needed a new engine! He had purchased an aftermarket warranty which paid my mechanic to find, buy, and install a "new" engine. We found an engine from a wrecked XKR with only 6000 miles on it, 62000 miles less than the one it was replacing, and what caused it in this case was lack of oil. The previous owner never bothered to check it, there were no low oil warning lights, no dash warnings of any kind. I have put 110,000 miles on the car since and have never had as good an automobile. So long as you don't have to come out of pocket, your car should be as good as new very soon. And by the way, old habits die hard, I have my oil and filter changed every 3-5000 miles. And since we kept the old engine, we have used it for parts such as sensors etc. that have needed replacing. Good luck.

 

I've got a very early 5.0 XKR at 42k miles and still going strong. Mind you, I'm meticulous about annual maintenance and checks. I bought it with 2k miles on it about 9 years ago.

The 5 litres are fine motors - as are the cars themselves. I think we're seeing cars who've been previously abused being passed on as the warranty expires.

 

I have a 5.0 with 67,000 miles. I change oil.... occasionally, and usually with something with a pretty bottle. I haven't checked the air filter in a couple years though, but they should be fine.

 

So I spoke with Jaguar dealer repair shop and the service contract company required oil samples. There was metal in the oil and multiple misfire codes. I'm thinking, no ****! I was driving my car normally when bang, metal on metal sounds in the engine(sounded worse than anything I've ever heard) it went into limp mode and I pulled over. No low oil fault, no high temp fault.....nothing before the failure. Car is a 2010 and had 28,000 miles. The damn car has been running like a Swiss watch. I'm so nervous as to what can be done. I just purchased this car a couple .months ago and have driven 2000 miles. What the hell could have happened? Spun bearing? I am not super mechanical. I'm so hoping I don't have to get an attorney and fight service contract company. Any ideas are helpful. I did a lot of research on these cars before purchasing and I didn't see anything regarding this. Thanks 😰

 

Read the fine print on the contract, work with the dealer who sold it to you and prepare yourself dispute if they try to deny the claim

 

Airborne, I feel for you, no one wants to lose the gamble on a used car! The unfortunate truth is that this is a 500hp car that is 10 years old, you just don't know how much stress the previous owner put on that engine. Research and percentages say you were safe, but it is always a gamble.

On the BMW M6 cars I know that the rod bearings were common weak spot, whenever there was high metal in the oil guys had those replaced asap. Once they failed and the engine imploded not much could be done, it was a full engine replacement.

Good luck with the insurance coverage, Axiom is just that and not a warranty. Notice in your paperwork they call it Service Contract or terms to that affect. I had an aftermarket coverage plan in my previous BMW that resulted in a claim within a couple months of start date, they tried to deny citing a pre-existing clause. I went the extra mile with their dispute department and ended up splitting the difference. It was $2500 in value and not nearly what you may be faced with, a substantial engine replacement should you have a grenaded powerplant.

Good luck, I hope this works out in your favor!!!

 

Did you read my post #4? I suspect that the dealer sold you that Axiom extended service contract.

As I previously said: "If I'm right, your best approach would be through the Jaguar dealer who sold it to you. He's your strongest advocate for getting Axiom to pay up because he sells a lot of those contracts and they're very high profit products."

Relax and calm down. You are not in as bad a situation as you fear.

You don't need a lawyer, at least not yet. The first thing you need is to get the Jaguar dealer on your side. Your Jaguar dealer is your best advocate. Before they sold it to you, they inspected it so it would qualify for the Axiom extended service contract. That's a big source of profits for the dealer (and Axiom) that they both want to maintain. It's in your dealer's interest to have Axiom cover your claim so they can get a positive review from you and sell more Axiom extended service contracts.

It is also important for you to read the contract - not just the slick sales brochure (it's not the contract). Read the coverage provisions, in particular the exclusions and limitations. Is your situation clearly excluded from being covered? If not, Axiom should pay your claim. Again, your Jaguar dealer is your best advocate at this stage. You don't need a lawyer unless your claim is denied and you disagree with their interpretation of the contract.

 

I'm with @Stuart S . Very sorry to hear of your troubles. Been there with my LR. But as Stuart says... go to the dealer that you bought from. They may even want the car themselves.
The greatest outcome: A brand spanking new shiny 5.0 supercharged. And while they are in there, fix anything else they see.
Like I said, been through this with Land Rover, and I'm very happy now.

 

I agree with the previous posts. No need to worry unless your claim is denied. Hopefully things will work out for you. Please keep us informed. Good luck to you.

 

If they end up paying only for used engine, and it is out of 2015 or earlier car, pay out of pocket for timing chain and water pump R&R.

 

Aren't dealer replaced re-manufactured parts, so wouldn't it already be up to spec? New seals, plugs, filter, fluids, etc. If it gets to that point, definitely worth confirming what if anything should be done to the motor and to the car such as belts, coolant hoses, etc. You likely won't have a need for any repairs for a very long time if you do.

 

Hey Airborne,
Just an aside: The engine failure you just experienced is in no way an isolated event. Just do a quick "5.0L" search on the Jag XF and XJ forums. And google - particularly - Land Rover 5.0L engine failures. And, be really glad you bought your car from a dealer, with a service contract.
I've been casually looking for an X150, and leaning toward a 5.0 XKR (see my recent "Best Years?" thread). Doing some due diligence on a private party car, I stumbled upon just the sort of thing you recently experienced. Root causes: Cam chains losing timing due to faulty tensioners, Rod bearing failures due to low (sump) oil levels, Rapid overheating due to faulty water pumps, etc. Any of these things can render the engine scrap in very short order, leaving dumbfounded owners on the road side, wondering "What the hell just happened?"
My take: The JLR 5.0L is a marvelous (though somewhat fragile) engine, with a few very significant vulnerabilities. Statistically, most folks will dodge these bullets, though a caveat to used car buyers is definitely in order
JLR quietly replaced quite a number 5.0L engines under warranty (according to a mostly LR class action suit seeking out of warranty damages on the basis of "known fault"). To my knowledge, no (OEM) 5.0L bottom end (short block) parts are available, and overheating often distorts the heads/open deck block beyond repair. So, engine replacement is generally the sole recourse. Assuming this is the case in your situation, some great advice by other posters on this thread regarding preventive maintenance on any used replacement engine. Anecdotally, you may also want to steer things toward a late model 5.0L donor engine.
Hope this info helps...

 

For anyone interested in learning more about the 5.0L cam chain/tensioner issue, here's a deep dive:
Timing Chain Problems 2010-newer Jaguar Land Rover AJ V8 Engines - JE Robison Service - Bosch Car Service Specialists ? the blog

 

John Robison is THE MAN for so many things. His knowledge on old RR/Bentleys is vast, and he's literally one of the nicest guys you will ever meet.

 

Ok, the Jaguar dealer quoted 25k for new engine and 5k to install. I have no idea what the Service contract company is going to say, or do. They sent an adjuster out yesterday to take pictures and get info. I looked up rebuilt Jaguar 5.0 engines and I cant find squat. Junkyard engines with high miles are going for 8k. A rebuilt one showed up for 10k on Ebay, but its pretty inconclusive on what was done. What are my options out there? Is there a reputable engine rebuild shop in California that can do this if new engine not done? I cant wind up with a low mileage $30,000 paperweight. Thanks